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Right to Lifers and Atheism
- Thread starter Fool
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I'm not aware of any anti-choicer who says that.
In most of my dealings with such people, whether directly or reading their comments to others, I don't see this topic come up.
It does come up in other contexts, as when theists assert the existence of disembodied consciousness (spirits), but not in the abortion debate. There, the effort is to obliterate the line that pro-choicers use to separate when in a pregnancy, it no longer is moral to terminate.
So, there will be no reference to the onset of sentience in the womb, and the effort will be to push childhood into the womb beginning at conception. It's a child to such people on day, and its mental status is irrelevant. The fetus can be anencephalic, and abortion is wrong to them anyway.
right to lifers believe consciousness is created with conception of the body
they believe they are trying to save a spiritual being, a sentient being. they believe a fetus is fully sentient
Repeating the claim doesn't really help.
Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Nothing more, nothing less.
No one operates, navigates reality, life solely on one negative/positive belief. Atheists aren't special. Theists believe in God. That is one belief. You cannot realistically navigate life with just one belief. Parroting an idea as an absolute, all encompasding belief is a lack of psychological maturity. People aren't that naive or simpleton. One theist will not absolutely share a set of beliefs with another, neither will an atheist.
If you think this relates to your claim in the OP in some way, you may want to explain whatever connection you see.
prolifers see matter as creating consciousness. They have it backwards. Spirit, consciousness, gives rise to forms of matter. Matter is eternal like consciousness but things evolve due to changes in the environment and consciousness responds and the form evolves. The consciousness adapts first and form follows the function of the changing consciousness
You keep on saying this, but it's not at all clear to me why you think this.
Any anti-choicer who's expressed an opinion to me on this seems to say that consciousness resides in the soul, not in physical matter, and "ensoulment" of the body happens at conception.
Anyone who thought that consciousness arose from matter wouldn't insist that a blastocyst, for instance, without any differentiated nerve cells to say nothing of a brain, is a "person" capable of conscious thought.
a body is not a soul, that is my point. they are claiming that the soul is created at conception and with the fetal body. it isn't. their bible doesn't teach that
An atheist does not believe in god. Nothing more, nothing less, they can believe or disbelieve anything else, it does not matter, it is irrelevant to being atheist.
Who claims this? The anti-choicers in your head?
sure it is. you got anything else you want to try and sell me?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, I am an atheist, but not a materialist. Now what?
i said atheism. the spiritual prolifers are making their case with an atheistic materialist claim. they don't believe in god as a matter. to them god is all spirit.
strangely atheists have been triggered to think the thread is about them. me thinks y'all are protesting to much. most christians are loathing of atheism or supposedly materialists
are any of your prolifers?
if not, then the thread isn't about you. It isn't an either or. ITS AN AND
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well I am an atheist, so I am a member of atheism. So what is this atheism you are talking about?