You maybe'd a bunch of questions. Full libertarian would agree all the questions but that's stereotyping, as we see people are all sorts of in between.
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Right and Left Someone please explain
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Father Heathen
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You forgot "toss science out the window" and "impose religious beliefs upon the public, and use them as a justification to limit or restrict liberty, rights, and equality" for the right.
Satans_Serrated_Edge
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Ya, I left a lot out on the left too. Only so much time in a day.
Both extremes are honestly quite retarded, to be honest, but I'll choose liberty over equality any day, as only one of those comes at the barrel of a (metaphorical, sometimes literal) gun.
How can you have liberty without equality?
Yipes!
Another couple crazy extremists.
If we find one more, then we could take over this place.
How much you willing to pay?
The test describes me as a centrist. Fair enough.[GALLERY=media, 8302]Libertarian_quiz by LuisDantas posted Aug 18, 2017 at 11:42 AM[/GALLERY]
Satans_Serrated_Edge
Deicidal
They actually seems to be opposites, ends of a spectrum. With true freedom, there is no equality because people are simply not equal. Equality must be enforced upon people. Yes, even equal opportunity. Opertunity does not come at equal measure from one person or group to the next.
Liberty means sink or swim, equality means everyone is forced to wear floaties and need not even learn how to swim.
I care more about fairness than I do equality.
For example, it may be unequal that men as a group earn more than women, but it is not unfair given that men (as a group) tend to make choices that lend to earning more than women do. This is simply the market at play. Government is perfectly legitimate in making sure that the market is as fair as possible, but it has no right to systematically privilege some groups over others out of a misguided pursuit of 'equality'.
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I've never seen someone score at the outer edge before. You deserve a prize.Here's where I sit on this scale:
I think Satans_Serrated_Edge got up there too.
Check this out when I go with what we agree with socially and say maybe to all your economic questions. The rare seemingly extinct leftist libertarian.
I smell a coup about to happen.Check this out when I go with what we agree with socially and say maybe to all your economic questions. The rare seemingly extinct leftist libertarian.
I hope that's a good thing. I smell soup.
Soup & coup smell pretty much the same.
(Both have bacon.)
Your confusion is not only natural, it shows that you have some intelligence and subtlety of thought!
We humans aren't 1-dimensional things, so how could something as 1-dimensional as "right and left" describe how we think and wish to govern ourselves? Of course, it's impossible.
The usual left/right notion has to do with how much or how little government there ought to be -- but that leaves out so much, because I can't tell whether it means government control over your private life, over business, over how taxes work, or how welfare or charity work, or anything else. So, maybe think of it this way: left/right seems to mean something like control/no-control (on the part of government). Then, you have to add all the other dimensions yourself:
- Should the government have control over your personal life (left, you're a social liberal, right a social conservative)?
- Should the government have control over whether a business (a bank, say) can try to generate profit at terrible risk to the economy. or by deliberately deceiving its customers (right, sure, they can cause a cancer outbreak and pollute the environment for profit, left, not so much)?
- Are there areas where government should be able to coerce us to do something (buy auto insurance to drive, buy health insurance to live)?
For the record, on the 3 I listed above, I'm on the left of all of those.