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Featured Richard Dawkins interviews a Muslim guy

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Hubert Farnsworth, May 24, 2018.

  1. Hubert Farnsworth

    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    Watch the man in this interview spew out misogyny and condone violence in an aggressive, condescending, and unapologetic tone. We should absolutely not be "tolerant" of this kind of blatant intolerance, misogyny, and hatred that Islam breeds. I recognize that there are good Muslims in the world who do not behave like this. My reason for singling out Islam in many of my posts is not because I despise all Muslims (I don't despise all Muslims), or want to be a rabble-rouser. I am genuinely concerned about the negative influence that Islam has in the world, and unfortunately, many people (particularly those on the far left) fail to understand just how serious a problem that Islamist ideology is, and how much it threatens the way of life of peaceful, free, western societies.

     
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  2. YmirGF

    YmirGF Bodhisattva

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    Oh, come now, @Hubert Farnsworth
    We all know that Islam is peace, love and beards.
    That Dawkins guy is such a meanie.
     
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    Yes, those darn liberals who believe in freedom of religion and all that. Just terrible people those liberals, pushing such ideas that people should worship as they see fit and belong to a religion of their own choosing.

    Could it be that it is possible to speak out against immoral treatment of others while still allowing religious freedom? I think it is possible.
     
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  4. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    Notice the aggressive tone and lack of conscience. The man in the video is not even human to me.

    ...Like a dog with rabies.
     
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    Interesting video. Good wake up call to realize that any religion with the goal to evangelize, because their holy book says their religion is the best, is potentially dangerous. 1 day a fanatic Hitler will start his "war", only now with nukes.

    Nowadays not only religious fanatics, but even FBI and CIA can't control normal american kids who blow up schools in USA. How will they control terrorists?

    I am not sure if the below is just a hoax, but I would be surprised if it were a hoax. If it's true at least world destruction won't happen, unless they are religious and want to make prophecies from the Bible/Koran to come true.
    “If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” Gutle Schnaper Rothschild
     
  6. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    *Prayers*

    ...For both the man in the video, and for myself --to see the humanity in all people.
     
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  7. Rival

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    The video is blocked in the UK. Summary?
     
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    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    Freedom of religion only applies to religious practices that don't oppress others. Your right to practice your religion ends when your religious practices threaten me and my way of life.
     
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    I've just read a fascinating book called The Islamist by Ed Husein, a Muslim Brit of Indian/Bangladeshi extraction. He got involved in muslim extremism, saw through it and got out of it.

    He makes a powerful case that "political islam" is a recent development, that has sought to sideline centuries of learned teaching of islam and breeds resentment and violence in its place. He had huge personal fights with his father over this (his father detesting the perversion of the faith), but now has returned to islam as it was and as it should be.

    We need to be careful to discriminate between traditional and political islam, I think. Although of course it is the political version that makes all the noise (and which runs you over in a van on London bridges, given half a chance.)
     
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    Wow, the UK is even worse than I realized. I thought only dictatorships censored the Internet. Basically, Dawkins interviews a Muslim guy who says he hates atheists and non-Muslims, wants Islam to take over the world, doesn't believe the State of Israel should exist, believes that women should be oppressed and have no rights etc. Dawkins explains that this is the problem with blind faith, specifically blind faith in Islamist doctrine. Apparently your leftist government in the UK doesn't want you to know the truth about Islam.
     
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    Hubert Farnsworth Well-Known Member

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    A dog with rabies? You're being wayyyyy too generous to the guy.......
     
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  12. Rival

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    It's not censored. It's copyrighted by channel 4.
     
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  13. Hubert Farnsworth

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    Oh ok, never mind my rant about the UK government then.;)
     
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    I certainly hope so.
     
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    I think this individual is potentially very dangerous.
     
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    I suspect that a lot of people who believe in multiculturalism also believe that all cultures share a core set of values. That's simply not the case. There are core ideas in Islam that support values that are in opposition to Western secular values. I think it's very safe to say that - in comparison to Western values - Islam is homophobic, it is not tolerant of sexual diversity. Islam is misogynistic, e.g. a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's. Islam is anti-semitic.

    These are values. They are different than Western values. We don't have to be judgmental to notice the differences. So the question is whether we want to create a society in which such disparate value systems attempt to co-exist. Seems like a bad idea to me, but that's just me.

    Edit addition: And of course let's not forget that in many parts of the world "Islamic religious freedom" includes the idea that apostasy is a crime, often a capital crime. So the folks you're defending often don't allow their own members any religious freedom.
     
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    Religious practices don't oppress others. Government agents and laws do.

    There is a difference between what people do and what people believe.
     
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    There are core ideas in American evangelical Christianity that supports values in opposition of Western secular values.

    People have a right to have homophobic, mysognist, and racists beliefs. Where the line is drawn is when their actions violate the rights of others.

    As Monty Python tells us, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Islam is hardly the only religion to have punished heretics.
     
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    You appear to be conflating Islam with Islamist ideology. Not the same thing.
     
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    Enlil Allah's servant

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    Which core ideas are you referring to?
     
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