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Revoltingest's clever ploy!

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Jayhawker Soule, Aug 13, 2020.

  1. Jayhawker Soule

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    I just finished reading the PolitiFact article Third-party candidates hamper both Republicans, Democrats which notes ...
    • Some third-party candidates have swung races in Republicans' favor, most notably Ralph Nader in the 2000 presidential election.
    • But many third-party entrants draw more from Republicans.
    • Supporters of Gary Johnson and Jill Stein in the 2016 presidential race would have strongly favored Trump in a two-person election, studies show.
    • And Libertarians, the most successful third party in recent decades, traditionally draw more Republican voters than Democrat.
    To those of you that cannot bring yourselves to vote Biden-Harris, let @Revoltingest show you the way!
     
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  2. ideogenous_mover

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    I don't understand the basis for why that should be , as the libertarians would give the green quadrant left all of the social freedom they could ever want, without oneupsmanship. The libertarian position is technically totally neutral to the contemporary concerns of the republicans and democrats
     
  3. Jayhawker Soule

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    I do not claim to understand the libertarian mindset.

    What does it mean to be technically totally neutral?
     
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    The OP assertion proved that no matter how much he tries to deny it, he's clearly...

     
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    If there is enough freedom, then freedom becomes neutrality. It's just left to human nature to act well.
     
  6. Jayhawker Soule

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    If you say so ... o_O
     
  7. Shadow Wolf

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    Social freedoms of the Left and economic policies of the Right. The latter being why many on the Left don't support them.
     
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    Yeah but if the libertarian dimension achieves enough critical mass with those practicing great social freedom, we have no idea how that would impact economic practice, in that dimension. We don't know if social freedom and economic freedom would cancel each other out, in other words. It's just that contemporary attitudes feel like they wouldn't. In other words, the economic practice of the libertarian base, in theory, might be guided by the social heading of its constituents
     
  9. Revoltingest

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    The left isn't all that big on social freedom either.
    But economic liberty seems the greater difference.
     
  10. Shadow Wolf

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    Last I knew I'm still further South than you. The entire "Marxist-Libertarian" territory starts about where you are South and goes down from there.
     
  11. Revoltingest

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    I don't remember my score.
    I'm very low (in more ways than 1).
    If you're lower (which I doubt), then you'd be an extremist among liberals.
     
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    Elaborate.
     
  13. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    Again?
    Dang....I just did that somewhere.
    Some examples....
    - Cancel culture
    - The Petty Offense Doctrine
    - Opposition to sex work (more than about economics).
    - Censorship
    - Military draft
    - The Crime Bill (3 strikes & all that)
    - Religious slogan on money
    - Tax subsidies for religion
    - Surveilling the poor's associations when receiving subsidized housing.

    Caution!
    Do not infer that I claim every person on the
    left has those agendas. Just tendencies.

    Caution!
    Do not infer that I claim the equivalency or
    less social liberty than the right tends to.

    There....that should avoid a couple dozen
    posts arguing against invented inferences
    by some here.
     
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    I was a point lower than you last couples times we all took the test and posted our results.
    And I'm not a liberal, so putting me in with them might be skewing your views on me.
     
  15. Revoltingest

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    Do you post in the Liberal Only forum?
     
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    A few of those are specific to the small group of Looney Lefties. And no one likes the PC crowd (except themselves, they like themselves). The Crime Bill came from a center-rightist who isn't really at all Left. The religion ones are supported by Conservative RWers. Censorship, draft, and opposition to prostitution is a mixed bag of support and opposition from the Left and Right.
     
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    Nope.
     
  18. Revoltingest

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    It seems you're arguing that Democrats aren't "left".
    Bill Clinton signed the Crime Bill.
    Add curbing gun rights to my list.

    But it also seems that you're exculpating the left
    by claiming that the right is also weak on social liberty.
    That doesn't negate my claim.
     
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    Democrats can be Left or Right. They tend to be Right leaning with Conservative tendencies of preserving the status quo.
     
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    Hmmm....link doesn't work, but I found 33 of your
    posts in the Liberal Only forum by searching for "a".
     
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