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Review of the Batman film 2022

Discussion in 'Philosophy' started by Ostronomos, May 1, 2022.

  1. Ostronomos

    Ostronomos Active Member

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    Robert Pattinson's character appeared somewhat affluent and not really striking or formidable. But that is what makes him excellent for the role. As one of the things that makes batman so enduring as a character is his fragility as a human being. Not to mention the human ingenuity in combination with the martial arts. The only weakness of the film was the lighting which is a minor aspect of the visuals. Overall It's everything you might expect from a modernization of batman and easily the year's best film.This goes down in the history books as groundbreaking.
     
  2. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I'll just stay with the classic DC character.
     
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    I appreciate that the film went out of its way to show how Batman isn't the only person affected by the crime in Gotham. A lot of stories surrounding Batman fall into "manpain" territory where there's a lot of self-indulgent wangst.

    In this movie, we see how the event has affected many other people, notably Alfred and Selena, too. We see how Batman leans on Alfred as his support structure and how, to this Batman, Alfred isn't just a father figure that he can fire.

    My favorite Batman has always been Adam West. I was never fully on board with the darker, brooding depictions of Batman until now. Finally, instead of Batman being a self-obsessed rich kid that never got over himself, Pattinson has managed to depict Batman as traumatized and sensitive, like a genuine human being trying to do the right thing. I was quite fed up with depictions of Batman that seemed more concerned with venting his anger out on criminals or looking cool in his bat-themed toys. To find one that truly just wants to help people, and which focuses more on him being the world's greatest detective than some mildly sociopathic antihero, it was very refreshing.
     
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    This movie was a good 40 to 50 minutes longer than it needed to be. And they could have shortened it without removing a single scene from the movie, but by simply shortening so many of the needlessly drawn-out scenes that it contained.

    SPOILER ALERT!

    Take the scene in the subway station where we first see batman. You've got the clown-faced thugs terrorizing the poor man on the platform. You hear 'something' approaching from down a dark hallway. We then flash back and forth between the expressions on the thugs faces as they listen to the approaching 'something' and the darkened hallway that the approaching 'something' is coming from. This is done to create suspense, which is fine, but it's completely overdone, flashing back and forth eight maybe ten times when once or twice would have been sufficient, especially for something that virtually everyone knows is coming, that is Batman appearing from the darkened hallway.

    The same can be said for the scene where Batman arrives at the night club where the bad guys hang out in a 'secret' club within the night club. Once again we flash between images of Batman moving through the night club towards the 'secret' club, and images of the bad guys in the 'secret' club enjoying themselves. Doing this a couple of times would have been enough, but we're subjected to half a dozen flashes between the two, drawing this scene out far longer than it needed to be.

    I could say the same for the scene in the burning arena when Batman is fighting with the thug with the shotgun up in the catwalks. Batman gets knocked over the side, is holding onto to the railing with one hand while the thug triumphantly lifts up his shotgun to deliver the fatal blow. Everyone watching has to know that it's time for Cat Woman to arrive to save Batman's butt for a change, but the director insisted on drawing the entire ordeal out, again flashing between the two, Batman holding on for dear life and the thug gleefully loading his shotgun, as if anyone really thinks he's going to send Batman falling down to a fiery death. And there's a least a dozen other scenes that could have been shortened in much the same way.

    Any one or two of those drawn out scenes would have been fine in a shorter movie, but after more than two hours I was sitting there with a numb backside thinking come one get on on with it, let's wrap this movie up!

    So even though I thought it had an interesting story, good acting, good special effects, and an appealing over all style, it was needlessly longer than it should have been, which made it harder for me to appreciate.
     
  5. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Student People Stabber

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    It's also Bruce Wayne still kind of new at being Batman, and still discovering for himself just who the Batman is. I'm hoping we get to see him grow into the role of Batman and become more imposing, intimidating and threatening as a part of the character development for this trilogy. Especially as up to this point he's been taking on thugs and goons. His greatest threats and dangers are still ahead of him.
     
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    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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    The approach to the score is also
    completely different from all before.
     
  7. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Student People Stabber

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    Very much so. And I love how they used Nirvana in it.
     
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  8. Luchito Prays

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    I need a car! -says Robin.
    This is why Superman works alone -says Batman, with a kind of resignation because the claims of his partner..

    I guess he was the last Batman with humanity.

    The new Batmans not only wear uniforms that cause fear but they also violate the basic laws of physics when driving their vehicles and fighting against the ugly fascinators.

    The idea of a man of darkness to be playing for the good side is fascinating. Other movies have been a success having guys from prison called to save a city from bad guys.

    Gotham city must be a kind of broken, when the police department is not enough to catch and arrest the bad guys, and need of an unknown character who dress funny to do the job they can't fulfill.

    I have not watched the last Batman movies because I have visited that city a few times watching the first movies, and I already know most of the names of the streets, the museums, the banks, the parks, etc.

    Last movie I have watched is the Bad Guys. I have a good time, lots of popcorn and soda. I was in love with the character Piranha. Comparing it with Batman movies, the Bad Guys has plenty illumination, while Batman has been filmed in a place with thecurtains covering the windows. For some reason, the whole Gotham city is so dark,...too dark for one sole bat living there.
     
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    Shadow Wolf Student People Stabber

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    Gotham City is thoroughly corrupt to the core. Most of the politicians are bribed by the criminal lords, with one of the more powerful ones (Oswald Cobblepot aka Penguin) even becoming mayor. The police, they could go after the bad guys but very few will because the few good ones (like James Gordon) can very rarely trust anyone he's around because the police force is heavily saturated with corrupt cops, moles and criminals.
    It's part of the reason Batman visual media is so dark. The hero is a vigilante haunted by the trauma of his parent's murder, the villains of the stories are mostly deranged and psychotic, the crime lords are in charge of just about everything, and the Shadows and Darkness have become the symbol of hope for Gotham and something that strikes fear into the villains, for it is from there the Batman attacks.
     
  10. Luchito Prays

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    Hmm, I see, that is why.

    Then, I wonder how it comes that in this current Biden administration the sky has not turned dark yet...
     
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    This isn't a political thread so leave that at the door.
     
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    Batman movies are not philosophy.
     
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    Yes, they are. Such as Batman tends to deal with human nature, especially the darker sides of it. Vigilantism is always a great philosophical discussion. And it also explores many aspects of justice and vengeance and environmental things can shape them, like Batman's refusal to kill or Catwoman learning how to steal as a means for survival.
    There tends to be more to comic books than what mainstream audiences and their critics alike give them credit for.
     
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  14. Luchito Prays

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    Batman movies are not politics neither philosophy.

    Batman movies are fantasy.
     
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    Well of course they are. The real one is the TV show.
     
  16. Luchito Prays

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    Totally in agreement.
     
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    All films can be interpreted through such lenses. Even Lord of the Rings.
     
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    Shadow Wolf Student People Stabber

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    Batman may be fantasy, but that does not mean it can't have philosophical weight. Lots of fantasy stories do, as the fantasy part allows us to more easily explore things that can't necessarily, or easily, be explored in real life. Star Trek and X-Men are two fine examples of philosophical fantasy stories. Batman is another.
    The Dark Knight | Issue 73 | Philosophy Now
    What Batman teaches us about philosophy - The Boston Globe
     
  19. Luchito Prays

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    Not long ago, a guy who finished his doctorate in philosophy asked in another forum, where he can find a job with such a degree.

    So far, the thread went to several paths but no one answered his question.

    But I did. I told him that he can study some pedagogy and be a philosophy teacher or, to write a book.

    No private companies hire philosophers, neither government agencies. This is a career that is not practical at all in today's world.

    Science with its "evidence" divorced from philosophy long ago. Leaders don't need the advice of philosophers, neither their support.

    So, I see how philosophers have found a way to survive today: analyzing dumb fiction movies.

    Great, good for them.
     
  20. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Student People Stabber

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    Law schools like philosophy grads.
    Now please get back on topic.
     
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