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Return to the "Ignorant Goat Herders"

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by nPeace, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. nPeace

    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0360544284900793
    Abstract
    We have studied the fuel use of cattle dung. Data on substitution for fertilizers by farm yard manure formed the basis of this work. The use of dung as fuel is more efficient than its use as manure. Dung (after providing energy for manufacturing fertilizers equal to the nutrient content of the dung in India) used as fuel will provide power equal to 2000 MEe, which is 1.3 times the power generation capacity of the Punjab.

    Turning Cow Manure into Energy
    Background
    Cleaner energy sources are being sought after to replace traditional gas and coal power because they do not pollute the environment. Some common sources of clean energy include solar, wind, water, and geothermal power. However, another potentially strong candidate for clean energy is cow manure, which is a biofuel.
    Biofuels are derived from plants and animals and have a wide range of applications. For example, ethanol, a biofuel that is produced from corn, is commonly added to gasoline as a secondary source of fuel. Using these biofuels could save about 1.8 billion barrels of oil. While the primary focus of those biofuels like ethanol is alternative fuel, cow manure can be used for both electricity and fuel. In both applications, the concept behind energy production is the collection of methane gas that is a product of manure. Because methane is the primary gas that is turned into energy when burning natural gas, there is a huge potential for collecting methane gas from cow manure.


    Manure for Power
    ... This power can then be used to heat homes and produce electricity. While this method is used relatively scarcely with dairy farms around the country, those that have invested in the digester can become self sufficient with energy, removing the need to pay electricity bills. Some farms even produce excess energy and are able to sell the energy and make a profit. In a farm with around 1000 cows, manure has the potential to produce 250-300 kW of electricity every day, which is enough to power 300 homes.


    The cow waste produces 250 to 300 kilowatts of electricity daily, enough to power 300 to 350 homes, according to the utility.
    “We’re making a resource out of a waste stream,” said Bill Rowell, who is running for the State Senate.
    In return, the Rowells receive a payment based on the wholesale cost of power, which averages about 7 cents per kilowatt hour, plus the 4-cent premium. Mr. Rowell said they earned about $200,000 from electricity annually, and with the additional cows should receive $235,000 to $240,000 in revenue from electricity.

    The Rowells are also transforming commercial waste. The farm processes about 500,000 gallons of waste and outdated ice cream from Ben & Jerry’s each year and puts it in the digester. The free ice cream, which the company drops off, helps the Rowells generate more electricity and saves Ben & Jerry’s the cost of disposing of it. “We’re improving our processes, and they’re improving theirs,” Mr. Rowell said.
    The liquid manure is used as fertilizer, while the solids are used for cow bedding. The bedding saves the Rowells thousands of dollars a month on sawdust, and they sell the excess to garden stores.

    Manure for Fuel
    Cow manure as energy not only interests dairy farms, but the idea has also interested car company Toyota. The company has plans to build a power plant that turns the methane from cow manure into hydrogen and power for electricity. The hydrogen in particular could be used to fuel Toyota's fuel cell hydrogen cars. The plant will also produce enough power to sustain over 2000 homes and fuel for 1500 cars. Using methane gas from cow manure is a cleaner alternative to gasoline powered cars and natural gas to heat homes. While untraditional, this method of energy production has lots of potential.


    Dry dung fuel - Wikipedia
    Human feces
    Human feces can in principle also be dried and used as a fuel source if they are collected in a type of dry toilet, for example an incinerating toilet. Since 2011, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is supporting the development of such toilets as part of their "Reinvent the Toilet Challenge" to promote safer, more effective ways to treat human excreta.

    Benefits
    The benefits of using dry animal dung include:
    Cheaper than most modern fuels
    Efficient
    Alleviates local pressure on wood resources
    Readily available - short walking time required to collect fuel
    No cash outlays necessary for purchase (can be exchanged for other products)
    Less environmental pollution compared to some other fuels
    Safe disposal of animal dung
    Sustainable and renewable energy source


    It's funny how modern scientific knowledge frequently does an about face, right back where the "goat herders" were known to be..
    Ezekiel 4:12
    “You will eat it as you would a round barley loaf; you will bake it before their eyes, using dried human excrement as fuel.”

    If only they would have paid attention to the 'ignorant goat herders", they would have avoided this..
    Mariana Trench: Deepest-ever sub dive finds plastic bag
    Creatures in the deepest trenches of the sea are eating plastic


    .Perhaps a shark wanted to share the superior knowledge of modern science with the deep sea dwellers. :)
     
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  2. danieldemol

    danieldemol Well-Known Member
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    Rofl, those ignorant ancient goat herders new nothing of electricity, or modern transportation such as cars etc.

    Besides even your Bible quote is wrong, in that quote in context it says people would be defiled for eating bread cooked over burning human dung and that they should swap it for burning cow dung.

    Who wants smelly bread cooked over cow dung and what does it have to with peoples of vastly superior knowledge generating electricity which can be used to cook bread free of that dung smell?
     
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    Wow, like burning poo, is more effective than conversion of crops into bio fuel
     
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  5. nPeace

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    "...using dried human excrement as fuel." Ezekiel 4:12

    We have studied the fuel use of cattle dung. Data on substitution for fertilizers by farm yard manure formed the basis of this work. The use of dung as fuel is more efficient than its use as manure.

    Cleaner energy sources are being sought after to replace traditional gas and coal power because they do not pollute the environment.
    ...another potentially strong candidate for clean energy is cow manure, which is a biofuel.

    Human feces can in principle also be dried and used as a fuel source if they are collected in a type of dry toilet,

    Benefits
    The benefits of using dry animal dung include:
    Cheaper than most modern fuels
    Efficient
    Alleviates local pressure on wood resources
    Readily available - short walking time required to collect fuel
    No cash outlays necessary for purchase (can be exchanged for other products)
    Less environmental pollution compared to some other fuels
    Safe disposal of animal dung
    Sustainable and renewable energy source


    It's funny how modern scientific knowledge frequently does an about face, right back where the "goat herders" were known to be..
    Ezekiel 4:12
    “You will eat it as you would a round barley loaf; you will bake it before their eyes, using dried human excrement as fuel.”

    If only they would have paid attention to the 'ignorant goat herders", they would have avoided this..
    Mariana Trench: Deepest-ever sub dive finds plastic bag
    Creatures in the deepest trenches of the sea are eating plastic


    Sorry you did not appreciate reading how they realize the many benefits of utilizing manure (besides fuel use).
    The "ignorant goat herders" knew quite well about electricity. We know this from reading the Bible/ Did they use it? :shrug: Maybe... Maybe ask the ancient Egyptians.
    A Short History of Ancient Electricity
    Electricity in the Ancient World

    Off topic a bit. Each time I hear a Bahai refer to passages of the Bible, It often comes across as though they have no respect for it, nor consider it to be true.
    How could one believe that Baha'ullah fulfilled something or which they do not believe, and claim is not accurate? So believe a man who claims to be a prophet seems more sensible... :astonished:
     
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    nPeace Well-Known Member

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    Clueless huh? Don't worry. I understand. "Don't shine the spotlight on anything that puts so called wise men in a bad light."

    I can imagine how a king would feel,who brags about his "superior wisdom", and then has to tell his servants to do the unthinkable, because his advisers informed him that some "lowly" sheep herder's methods were more profitable.
     
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  8. danieldemol

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    I’m not a Baha’i, I’m a liberal and way to bomb your own thread.

    Your second link appears to debunk the first link. And the “ignorant goat herders” were not the comparatively advanced urban dwellers who produced the Baghdad battery anyway.

    Where does the Bible mention electricity?

    And where does the Bible even mention plastic let alone say you can’t dump it in the ocean?
     
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  9. nPeace

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    Oh well. I did not read through both links.
    If you want to, you can tell me how one debunks the other.
    I'll read it later. However, it matters not, since opinions prove nothing.

    I still say, ask the ancient Egyptians. Modern day "experts" don't know everything, and can't tell you everything, as some sadly fool themselves into believing.

    I thought you read the Bible. What's the greatest form of electricity you know of? When did it exist, and who knew about it? It's all in the Bible. You can start with the book of Job, for example.

    Oh, by the way, you need more than toy bombs to make an explosion @danieldemol.
     
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    I couldn't tell. That's probably why you haven't made up your mind yet... perhaps?
     
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    Where does Job mention electricity?

    By the way, bombing your own thread is a colloquial way of saying going off topic in your own thread, it has nothing to do with explosions.
     
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    I wonder if they were aware of cost-effectiveness. How much does it cost to raise the cow , and how much it ****s out to generate a profit.

    Anyways, a bit of amusing history.

    The Use Of Poop In Medical Treatments Throughout History
     
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    Job 37:11

    I can take detours, on a thread like this.
    After all, it's not like the thread has the capability of throwing many punches... just one slap in the face, is enough. :D
     
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    There is or was a dung gate in Jerusalem. Desert people have always used dried animal dung.. Its not smelly in the desert.
     
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    It may not be smelly, but...

    [​IMG]

    ...with your bare hands?
    Uh uh. Give me some gloves.[​IMG]
     
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    What a fantastic representation of just about every internet creationist ever!

    "I posted links without reading or understanding them, but I don't care because I'm still right." :facepalm:
     
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    I read the NWT in case i’m Missing something from the other translations and all I got was;

    “Yes, he weighs down the clouds with moisture;He scatters his lightning in the clouds”

    In other words according to those who wrote the scriptures lightening was scattered God magic, no mention of how it is made of electricity at all.
     
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    You got your answer then.
    Nowhere did Job say anything about magic. That's you.

    The Bible is not a science text book. So don't look for it to contain details on observable science.
    David said...
    (Psalm 139:13-16)
    13 For you produced my kidneys; You kept me screened off in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you because in an awe-inspiring way I am wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful, I know this very well. 15 My bones were not hidden from you When I was made in secret, When I was woven in the depths of the earth. 16Your eyes even saw me as an embryo; All its parts were written in your book Regarding the days when they were formed, Before any of them existed.

    Do you expect to read anything saying DNA?
    Do you expect to read in the Bible the words genetics, and gene flow?

    I know it will hurt you to admit that the Bible writers knew about these things, even if not all that is known in detail, but they did.
    They wrote it down, centuries before these were scientifically discovered. Fact.

    Hear you next week.
     
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