Restaurants now charging 30 dollars for a regular size pizza in NY.

[SalixIncendium]

That doesn't tell much by itself because the base pay is a crucial part of the context. A 100% raise on $7/hour still results in a barely livable wage. A 20% raise on $20/hour is decent.

I can assure you that practically no one is paying $7/hr. If they are, I can guarantee they don't have any employees because they all left and went up the street to get $13.00 to flip burgers.

 

[Kathryn]

Our economy is destroyed at this point. And when I say "our," I mean the entire world economy.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Missed again.

What's your point, then?

 

[Debater Slayer]

I can assure you that practically no one is paying $7/hr. If they are, I can guarantee they don't have any employees because they all left and went up the street to get $13.00 to flip burgers.

It was just a random example of how base pay is important for the context, although I don't know whether $13/hour is a livable wage or not in most states. I can't comment on that.

 

[Revoltingest]

What's your point, then?

Attitude of the worker.
If one isn’t motivated initially,
more money won’t change them.

 

[SalixIncendium]

This text message I awoke to this morning is a shining example of the work ethic I'm speaking about.

Just finished onboarding, scheduled for training class today, and decides this will be his first impression with the company.

Despite explaining expectations, this generation of entitlement will treat the schedule more as a suggestion than the schedule.

ETA: I'm assuming he's at the hospital with his grandfather and not his grade point average.

 

[Kathryn]

I can assure you that practically no one is paying $7/hr. If they are, I can guarantee they don't have any employees because they all left and went up the street to get $13.00 to flip burgers.

Bingo. I worked in the staffing industry for many years and even then (20 years ago roughly) no one paid even close to minimum wage. I worked with hundreds of local employers.

 

[Revoltingest]

What's your point, then?

Attitude of the worker.
If one isn’t motivated initially,
more money won’t change them.
But motivated workers attract raises.

 

[Revoltingest]

Bingo. I worked in the staffing industry for many years and even then (20 years ago roughly) no one paid even close to minimum wage. I worked with hundreds of local employers.

Same here.
Minimum wage is irrelevant.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Attitude of the worker.
If one isn’t motivated initially,
more money won’t change them.

On the other hand, many who are initially motivated start losing steam and burning out if the pay is too low or the workplace conditions are toxic.

There's no one size that fits all.

 

[Audie]

What I've seen across my whole life, is businesses and suburbs buying out our farmland. That land that was built on, was not doing nothing, and I don't know if people really get that. Not trying to debate anything, it's just that my first reaction to these kinds of topics, is to go back to what I've seen happen across my whole life

Paving farmland is insane

 

[Debater Slayer]

This text message I awoke to this morning is a shining example of the work ethic I'm speaking about.

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Just finished onboarding, scheduled for training class today, and decides this will be his first impression with the company.

Despite explaining expectations, this generation of entitlement will treat the schedule more as a suggestion than the schedule.

ETA: I'm assuming he's at the hospital with his grandfather and not his grade point average.

Do you think it's not a valid reason to delay if he's really at the hospital with his ill grandfather?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Same here.
Minimum wage is irrelevant.

How much is the minimum wage where you are?

I can see why it would be irrelevant if it were outdated and not remotely up to current rates of inflation and living costs.

 

[Kathryn]

I feel like it's a combination of factors. I believe the pandemic started it, and many older workers retired and left the workforce entirely. Entire factories would shut their doors. Then the higher gas prices everywhere caused a ripple effect of higher prices on goods. Then of course pay had to increase. Then you had people getting money and staying home, which was a shock at first but then became something pretty nice in many ways. You have attitudes toward work which have changed drastically over the past five years.

It's a really odd situation and I think this is going to be the worst year on record economically.

 

[Revoltingest]

On the other hand, many who are initially motivated start losing steam and burning out if the pay is too low or the workplace conditions are toxic.

There's no one size that fits all.

Don’t like the job?
Then quit.
But don’t expect an employer to give a raise to motivate an unmotivated worker.

That is a surprisingly difficult point to convey.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I feel like it's a combination of factors. I believe the pandemic started it, and many older workers retired and left the workforce entirely. Entire factories would shut their doors. Then the higher gas prices everywhere caused a ripple effect of higher prices on goods. Then of course pay had to increase. Then you had people getting money and staying home, which was a shock at first but then became something pretty nice in many ways. You have attitudes toward work which have changed drastically over the past five years.

It's a really odd situation and I think this is going to be the worst year on record economically.

I completely agree.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Do you think it's not a valid reason to delay if he's really at the hospital with his ill grandfather?

Unless he's the attending physician who is caring for and releasing his grandfather, I see no reason he has to be there. Do you think it's a valid excuse to miss the first day of training, which is limited to 8 per class, where his absence left a hole where another motivated new hire could have started sooner? If so, why? Because I know if I cared about my job, I would arrange for someone else to be there when he was discharged to take care of his needs.

Also, I just now received attendance for today's training class. I had 5 people scheduled to begin training today. Two showed up.

 

[Revoltingest]

How much is the minimum wage where you are?

I can see why it would be irrelevant if it were outdated and not remotely up to current rates of inflation and living costs.

I don’t know.
It’s so far below prevailing wages that it never comes up. Typical signs for fast food say $15/hour to start.

 

[Kathryn]

How much is the minimum wage where you are?

I can see why it would be irrelevant if it were outdated and not remotely up to current rates of inflation and living costs.

Hardly any workers anywhere make minimum wage though.

 

[Kathryn]

And let's be completely honest here - many workers aren't worth more than minimum wage, though they are paid above minimum wage for entry level, part time and/or zero skill jobs.