Of course Democrats have reasons for discrimination.
There are always reasons. Nonetheless, it is what it is,
ie, discrimination (race & gender) by government,
& its requirement imposed upon the private sector.
Democrats like it. I don't.
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Republican Drift Into Fascism-- Why?
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There are always reasons. Nonetheless, it is what it is,
ie, discrimination (race & gender) by government,
& its requirement imposed upon the private sector.
Democrats like it. I don't.
I think a lot of it is driven by fear, which was also the case in Germany and Italy before fascism took over those countries.
One thing that seems to get missed is that these kinds of regimes and ideologies don't just pop up out of the blue, nor are they result of magical oratory suddenly transforming an otherwise normal group of humans into homicidal maniacs.
For example, in Germany, they started on the road to fascism the minute some numbskull suddenly decided it would be a great idea to raise the price of a loaf of bread to $3 billion. It's people who make decisions like that which lead countries towards fascism. It's not the speeches or the rallies or the propaganda or the powerful oratory or even the bullying by thugs. Bad management and greed (usually by those who don't intend or want fascism) do far more towards propelling a country in that direction than anything else.
Exactly. Standing ovation @Stevicus
If there were more compromise between Conservatives and Liberals in the United States, there would not be such a polarization.
PureX
Veteran Member
Greed is invisible in the U.S. It simply doesn't exist. It's been renamed "capitalism" and is now being praised as the savior of all mankind.
In what way does anyone suggest that Christianity opposes Americanism? Then discuss that. Early American values are no taxation without representation and independence from England and equality of all humans. The bill of rights comes into existence at the insistence of Patrick Henry who gives rights a theological basis. Early American politics are based upon avoidance of the failures of politics previous.
The two are not so easily defined anymore, now its not just the liberals and conservatives, its the 'ultra' of each party.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I get nothing but ad hominem attacks personally now almost all the time here. "0]
Anyways, there is something I want to know and ask that a fair number of Democrats are openly touting socialism in media and the public. They are not even hiding it.
So with that aspect well documented, where are all the Republicans openly touting in media they support facisism?
Your 100% correct, they are desperate, attacking people with ad hominems like crazy and haven't the least bit of understanding about Republicans nor facisism.
Did it really? Seems to me the world stood by.
PureX
Veteran Member
Fascism is all about control.
The republican party has been pandering to several disgruntled and disenfranchised groups of Americans since doing it back in the 1990s worked to get "W" elected. Those groups are mainly fundamentalist type Christians and racial and ethnic bigots. Both of whom exist in significant numbers and have been angry for a long time about their being marginalized by a cultural shift toward liberalism that began back in the 1960s and that resulted in women, gays, blacks, and foreigners being afforded equal status with white, male, heterosexual, Christians in our society. Causing a lot of fear, anger, and resentment on the part of these newly marginalized groups.
And now they want their power back. They want to be in control again, and that's what the republican party has been promising them to get their votes. The republican party never actually intended to give them any control, as that was always reserved for the wealthy elites. The republican party was nothing if not the party of, by, and for the rich. But after they'd promised this for so long, and fired up this angry, resentful, disenfranchised base for so long, it basically exploded behind Donald Trump and he took over the party. So that now, more than ever, republicans are all about control. They want their white, male, heterosexual, Christian butts back in the driver's seat and to hell with democracy if democracy stands in their way! To hell with the law if the law stands in their way! To hell with YOU if you stand in the way! They are on a holy crusade, now. And that's basically fascism: control without opposition.
The republican party has been pandering to several disgruntled and disenfranchised groups of Americans since doing it back in the 1990s worked to get "W" elected. Those groups are mainly fundamentalist type Christians and racial and ethnic bigots. Both of whom exist in significant numbers and have been angry for a long time about their being marginalized by a cultural shift toward liberalism that began back in the 1960s and that resulted in women, gays, blacks, and foreigners being afforded equal status with white, male, heterosexual, Christians in our society. Causing a lot of fear, anger, and resentment on the part of these newly marginalized groups.
And now they want their power back. They want to be in control again, and that's what the republican party has been promising them to get their votes. The republican party never actually intended to give them any control, as that was always reserved for the wealthy elites. The republican party was nothing if not the party of, by, and for the rich. But after they'd promised this for so long, and fired up this angry, resentful, disenfranchised base for so long, it basically exploded behind Donald Trump and he took over the party. So that now, more than ever, republicans are all about control. They want their white, male, heterosexual, Christian butts back in the driver's seat and to hell with democracy if democracy stands in their way! To hell with the law if the law stands in their way! To hell with YOU if you stand in the way! They are on a holy crusade, now. And that's basically fascism: control without opposition.
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Most disbelieved the news about it, and remember that there was disinformation about it not merely information. If I had been alive I probably would have doubted that it was true. There was a war on, and so naturally I would have questioned then (as people did) whether such information should be believed. The very idea that someone would choose to eradicate a large segment of their own population?
A lot of people also would have found it difficult to understand why the Jews in Germany had not already fled in large groups. There were many opportunities to disbelieve the news. There were also famous people (such as Henry Ford) talking about how Jews could not be trusted or were problematic. I am sure that had I lived in USA at the time that I would have ignored tales of the holocaust and even questioned them in the face of data, instead choosing to believe that the Germans would have been sensible and that the Nazis would not have been insane enough to do such a strange thing as what they did.
It's better than other candidates for savior,
eg, Jesus, Muhammed, L Ron Hubbard,
socialism, communism, anarchy, AOC.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Fascism is basically the antithesis of democratic socialism. In the case of Meloni, we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.
Socialism is a mindset that tries to more equalize the "playing field", whereas fascism tends to put the power and most of the wealth in the hands of a minority, such as what we see in Russia today. Fascists historically tried to pawn themselves off as being socialists, such as what the three fascist leaders in Europe did in the 20th century, but we saw how that went with people sorta taking a permanent "vacation", never to be seen again. Mussolini did this, but he had these "vacationers" sent to eastern Africa, and they must have loved it so much there that they never returned.
I think it is extremely laughable that what the British journalist tried to do was to depict the "financial speculators" as people victimized by Giorgia Meloni's speech.
I think there is an upheaval of the victim-perpetrator cycle.
Nobody sees them as victims.
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Did you actually watch Hasan's video?Fascism is basically the antithesis of democratic socialism. In the case of Meloni, we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.
Socialism is a mindset that tries to more equalize the "playing field", whereas fascism tends to put the power and most of the wealth in the hands of a minority, such as what we see in Russia today. Fascists historically tried to pawn themselves off as being socialists, such as what the three fascist leaders in Europe did in the 20th century, but we saw how that went with people sorta taking a permanent "vacation", never to be seen again. Mussolini did this, but he had these "vacationers" sent to eastern Africa, and they must have loved it so much there that they never returned.
He says the opposite. Meloni's speech victimizes financial speculators.
Maybe he fails to realize that siding with financial speculators doesn't make you win the elections.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Keep telling yourself that while taking positions that simply do not recognize the dangers that we have today while you're forgetting the warnings of the Holocaust.
I was a Republican, taught a poli sci course for 25 years dealing with the Constitution, and I studied the Holocaust here, in Poland, and in Israel and taught a three-week unit on it. If you think that I don't know what I'm talking about, then it's on you, so go ahead and wear your MAGA cap while going around blind to what's happening all around you.
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I fail to understand what Trump or Meloni or Pompeo have to do with the Holocaust.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Please listen to it again, but maybe do so v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y, as it goes 100% with what I posted in #34 even though I didn't mention that anti-Semitic aspect of it that's what also has been reflected in her party.
I'm not paying her or the Brits enuf
attention to be familiar with that drama.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
In each case it was driven by reactions to the status quo that many, if not most found unacceptable, but in the process of doing that just remember what occurred next in each case. IOW, they talked-the-talk of democratic socialism but definitely didn't walk-the-walk, and consider how many millions of people "disappeared" one way or the other because of this. The proof of this is in the history books.
Consider reading "Strongmen" by NYU poli sci professor Ruth Ben-Ghiat, the daughter of Holocaust survivors.