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Discussion in 'Christianity in General DIR' started by Mindonfire, Apr 25, 2006.

  1. Mindonfire

    Mindonfire Member

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    Symbols

    Gen 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them thoroughly.

    Was the tower of Babel an immensely tall building which was built to stretch past the skies and into the stars. This is one of the many fables that believers have come to accept as factual truth. This fable and various others have contributed to the fairy tale mindset that is prevalent today amongst many believers. These fables have also succeeded in hindering believers from correctly identifying the end time characters, who have been present and functioning for quite some time now. With the correction of these fable believers will be able to unquestionably identify the identity of the entity that is known as Mystery Babylon. So today let us begin on a journey to uncover who this entity was and is.

    Believers must first understand that the Holy Bible is a supernatural book which has three supernatural qualities. The Bible’s first quality is its ambiguity. The Holy scriptures were purposely written to be ambiguous. This means that the verses of the Bible are capable of being understood in two or more possible senses of ways.
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    The second quality that the Bible possess is that it has the mystical ability to deliver to the reader the message that he or she desires to see. In other words the Bible possesses the uncanny ability to test the Spirit of the reader. So as a reader wherever your heart and spirit is in respects to reality, will determine the message that you will receive during your studies. However one must be careful, because this does not mean that the message that the individual has received is the message that the writer intended to convey. For example, if one looks hard enough one can find scripture which seems to support the doctrine which states that believers will be caught up physically in the clouds to be with Messias during the end. But if one looks through the spirit of God one will see that this is not the message that the writer intended.

    The third quality which the Bible possess is a very important characteristic. The Holy Bible is symbolic in nature. It is rife with symbolism. For those who may not understand, let us define symbolism, in the hopes that we all may fully understand this symbolic nature.


    Definitions Merriam Webster
    1. Symbolism:
    (n) 1 : the art or practice of using symbols especially by investing things with a symbolic meaning or by expressing the invisible or intangible by means of visible or sensuous representations: as a : artistic imitation or invention that is a method of revealing or suggesting immaterial, ideal, or otherwise intangible truth or states b : the use of conventional or traditional signs in the representation of divine beings and spirits 2 : a system of symbols or representations

    As you can see, in symbolism a material or physical object is used as a sign to represent the immaterial or spiritual universe. For example; When the Bible mentions the “beast” of the earth in the book of Revelation 13:11, it is not talking about an animal such as a lion or crocodile. The beast is symbolic. It is used as a symbol to represent the beastly nature and actions of a world government. Here is another example; When the Bible mentions the two “horns” on the beast, it is not speaking of actual animal horns. These horns are also symbolic. Since an animal’s horns are located on top, these horns are used as symbols to represent the two previous tops or leaders of this government. Here is a final example which is directly connected to our current topic. When the Bible speaks of the clay in Dan 2:33-45, it is not talking about the earthy material that is plastic when moist. If we examine the definition of clay we will discover its symbolism.

    2. Clay:
    (n) 1 a : an earthy material that is plastic when moist but hard when fired, that is composed mainly of fine particles of hydrous aluminum silicates and other minerals, and that is used for brick, tile, and pottery; specifically : soil composed chiefly of this material having particles less than a specified size b: EARTH, MUD 2 a : a substance that resembles clay in plasticity and is used for modeling b : the human body as distinguished from the spirit c : fundamental nature or character *<the common clay>*

    From its definition we can see that, clay has more than one meaning. Not only does it mean the more familiar earthy material that is plastic when moist. But clay is also used to denote the human body as distinguished from the spirit, and the fundamental nature or character. Since this is the case the Holy Bible uses clay to symbolize man’s physical body, and man’s fundamental nature or character. So the clay in Dan 2:33-45 is symbolic. It is symbolic of the people of Babylon and their earthly or fundamental natures or characters.












     
  2. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    The ziggurat towers uncovered not only in the ruins of ancient Babylon but elsewhere in Mesopotamia would seem to confirm the essentially religious nature of the original tower, whatever its form or style. The decisive action taken by Jehovah God to overthrow the temple construction clearly condemns it as of a false religious origin.
    Throughout the Hebrew Scriptures the ancient city of Babylon is featured prominently as the longtime enemy of Jehovah God and his people.
    and its the same with the symbolic woman in the book of revelation , with the name ... Babylon the Great , she also is the world empire of false religion, and she will be got rid of ,..... by Jehovah..........
     
  3. evearael

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    You are clearly approaching verses with a variety of methods. This is good. However, I would caution you on your reliance of an English dictionary for alternate meanings as the original text certainly wasn't English.
     
  4. Popeyesays

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    I'd have to go with Mindonfire. Even fired bricks cannot raise a tower that high. Eventually the weight of the bricks will crush those on the bottom and the tower will collapse. That is why ziggurats are built just so high and no higher. It is also why they are built in a stepped fashion rather than smooth on the sides like Egyptian pyramids.
    Egyptiant pyramids were built of stone, not brick and it is stronger. The steps of a ziggurat allow the higher levels to contain fewer bricks, and thus weigh less.

    Firing the clay hard would , to me, mean man in all his pride. So the human temple cannot be raised higher than God's, no matter how much brick or stone you stack.

    The only way to build a tower out of the atmosphere would be to create a space station, or anchor a small asteroid above the earth in a geostationary orbit, and drop cables slowly to the ground to anchor on the earth. Then the cables would be kept taut by the asteroid being slightly flung away from earth orbit, yet anchored against the centrifugal force.

    Then one could hang a tower off the cables, and erect it into orbit. This is called a "Beanstalk" and has been postulated by scientists. Even the cable material is practical these days as it is a crystaline mono filament that can only be created in a micro-gee environment Once set up, one could use other cables to raise and lower cars like an elevator. The whole thing could be powered by solar energy generated on the orbital structure. You'd get a free ride to orbit or from orbit for little cost other than maintenance. For construction, however, the cost would hideous, of course, but technially the design is sound.

    No bricks or stone involved.

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  5. Mindonfire

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    Good Day
    Finally a man whom the Lord has given wisdom. Thank you for using your abilty to reason. Thank you for comprehending science and reality.

    Peace
     
  6. may

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    Yes, and just as iron and clay do not mix togeather , so human rulerships with ironlike ways ,and the softer ways of other human rulerships do not mix together, they are not making a very good job are they? but no worries ,soon something not made by man , is going to crush them as chaff
    33 its legs were of iron, its feet were partly of iron and partly of molded clay. 34 You kept on looking until a stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them. 35 At that time the iron, the molded clay, the copper, the silver and the gold were, all together, crushed and became like the chaff from the summer threshing floor, and the wind carried them away so that no trace at all was found of them. And as for the stone that struck the image, it became a large mountain and filled the whole earth.................. yes as Daniel 2;44 tells us , something set up by God will crush all human rulerships as chaff
    "And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44
     
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