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Repentance

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by idea, Jul 22, 2008.

  1. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friend Jeremy Mason,
    Personally would view the story differently.
    Death is only a transformation from one form and so there is nothing to hang on to life either in that sense find no problem if the floods takes me. Occurrance of floods etc are part of nature. Being a part of existence allow existence to decide what it wants to do with me.
    Love & rgds
     
  2. Jeremy Mason

    Jeremy Mason Well-Known Member

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    Death is a transformation:

    John 12:1-50 (NIV)

    Jesus Predicts His Death

    20Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the Feast. 21They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. "Sir," they said, "we would like to see Jesus." 22Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus. 23Jesus replied, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.
    27"Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28Father, glorify your name!"
    Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.
    30Jesus said, "This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." 33He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.
    34The crowd spoke up, "We have heard from the Law that the Christ will remain forever, so how can you say, 'The Son of Man must be lifted up'? Who is this 'Son of Man'?"
    35Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. The man who walks in the dark does not know where he is going. 36Put your trust in the light while you have it, so that you may become sons of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.
    The Jews Continue in Their Unbelief

    37Even after Jesus had done all these miraculous signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him. 38This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the prophet:
    "Lord, who has believed our message
    and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?" 39For this reason they could not believe, because, as Isaiah says elsewhere:
    40"He has blinded their eyes
    and deadened their hearts,
    so they can neither see with their eyes,
    nor understand with their hearts,
    nor turn—and I would heal them." 41Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him.
    42Yet at the same time many even among the leaders believed in him. But because of the Pharisees they would not confess their faith for fear they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved praise from men more than praise from God.
    44Then Jesus cried out, "When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.
    47"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. 48There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. 49For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. 50I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say."
     
  3. zenzero

    zenzero Its only a Label

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    Friend Jeremy Mason,
    Do not know *When* this happened for Jesus never died on the cross.
    As after 3 days he came back to life.
    There are reports that after that he came back to Kashmir in India and spent the rest of his days here and suppossedly there still exists a grave of his. {do not know the actual truth] even during his missing years he was suppossed to have spent his time at Kashmir, India.
    Love & rgds
     
  4. Jeremy Mason

    Jeremy Mason Well-Known Member

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    Zenzero, the Roman executioners were really good at their jobs and knew when a man was dead or not, espectually in the case of Jesus because he predicted he would physically come back to life.

    Matthew 27:64 (NIV)
    64So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first."



    So, yes, Jesus did die but was resurrected to fulfill OT and Jesus' prophecy. The death was physical not spiritual, because he told the man who died next to him that grim day that they would meet in Paradise and they did. After Jesus resurrection and the 40 days that had passed, Jesus ascended to Heaven where he is now.
     
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