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Featured Repent, the kingdom of heaven is at hand, means what?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 2ndpillar, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    My response was an observation of your weird post, in which you seem later to blame on some weird translation software. The outtakes of your chapter and verse had nothing in common with regard to the chapters you were quoting or the topic in hand. Maybe you should stick with English, because what you are using, isn't working.
     
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    Eat some spinach, and call me in the morning. Trying to find understanding in a Greek dictionary, doesn't seem to work for you. "Israel" has been under judgment for around 2700 years, which would be "on" the 3rd day (Hosea 6:2). They haven't been "healed" as of 6:30 Sunday, but the window is a full 1000 years. Try reading context.
     
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    Got ya on the run have I. :D


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    So, you are not a monotheist?
     
  5. URAVIP2ME

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    In light of Matthew 10:7; Luke 10:9 as the apostles went preaching by saying the 'Kingdom of Heaven is at hand' was that Jesus was at hand, Jesus was near to them at that time frame.
    At our time frame ( Revelation 1:10; Revelation 11:15 ) the Kingdom of Our Lord and of His Christ is the ruling or governing time for Christ to act. First, acting over the Christian congregation, then, going to act as King over Earth.
    So, I find it is the course of wisdom to 'repent now' as 2 Peter 3:9 informs us if we don't want to 'perish' (be destroyed) because the wicked will be ' destroyed forever ' as per Psalms 92:7.
     
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    "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Lk. 17
    is "within" near enough?
     
  7. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Pretty much captured that nicely. Thank you so much.

    Of course, I'm the choir you're preaching to. :rolleyes:
     
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    All righteous Christians, while still in this world, are entered into the Kingdom of our Lord, Christ.
    Col 1: 13 (God) Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins; ​
    That we await God's kingdom on earth still - is part of the promise. We have yet to receive eternal life; however, we are cared for because we have entered into the Kingdom of our Lord, being ruled by him, being cared for by him.

     
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    Sorry i assumed since you'd understood Paul and Peter, you had more of an advanced understanding.

    The topic takes seeing the Hebrew used, and there are multiple patterns within the text to create a 'Snare' which ran from Isaiah 8 to 'capture' people in a 'line' that goes to Isaiah 34.

    The prophets use keyword referencing to interconnect whole sections together.

    Thus Isaiah 28 is shown by Ezekiel 7, that it is the same time period, as he quote it at the 2nd temple destruction.
    Isaiah's name is Yeshayah in Hebrew, therefore there is an additional context that his name means 'Saved by the Lord'.

    Therefore the concepts within Isaiah that people believed they're saved by the Lord is symbolic, and yet they've not followed what Isaiah instructed as the Hebrew symbolism has gone over their heads, and so instead they mock first (Isaiah 28:22), as they don't understand what is being talked about.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Thank you for your reply. Many use Luke 17:21 as a base.
    After reading chapter 17 any comments about Luke 19:11-15
    Please notice at Luke 17:20 because Jesus is addressing: his enemies the Pharisees.
    Surely Jesus was Not teaching those Pharisees that God's kingdom was inside of those hate-filled people.
    Then, notice it is Not until the after verse 21 that Jesus addresses his disciples at Luke 17:22.
    So, Jesus did Not address his disciples until ' after ' he concluded what he said the the Pharisees in verse 21.

    Speaking about something being ' inside ' or ' within ' a person please read Mark 7:20-23 and Luke 6:45.

    So, the fact that Jesus was 'within the presence' of those Pharisees, 'within their reach', Jesus being right there among them is why Jesus, as king designate of God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44, was within their company.
    Also, please notice what Jesus said in connection to God's Kingdom of Heaven at Matthew 23:13 about those hypocritical Pharisees who 'shut up' the kingdom.......

    P.S. Please also note post # 25
     
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    Jesus was teaching that the Kingdom resides inside every person, every person is capable to reach near , within self to reach the Kingdom. That is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We do not worship in Jerusalem but in spirit near. Christ within us.
     
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    In the Hebrew Yeshayah would be ' Saved by Yahweh ' or 'Yeho'wah ' ( Lord is just a title word and Not a name )
     
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    How do you place Daniel 2:44 inside of every person
    Did you read post #30
     
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    I do not have place for Daniel in the Kingdom of God - Spiritual world whatever may happen in physical world does not concern me much.
     
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    And Yeshua’s name means the “LORD saves”, but that seems to have gone over your head.

    And yes, I understand the role of Peter and Paul quiet well. They are the two shepherds, portrayed as “staffs”, who were to shepherd the “flock doomed to slaughter” (Zechariah 11:4-7). As best I can tell, you apparently would be one of their flock.
     
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    Matthew 25:40 “The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’
    This is why started by explaining Isaiah's name (saved by the Lord) is the reverse of it... Yet people are not saved by believing in Yeshua's death; yet by following his character, and knowledge.
    Don't assume; there are always tons of things we've still got wrong.
    I've been debating people online for the last 15 years showing where Paul, John, and Simon are false.
    The two staffs are stated what they are... One translates as inheritance (chebel), which means a chord that can surround something; thus the nations borders were destroyed.

    Zechariah 11:14 Then I cut apart my other staff, even 'Inheritance', that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

    The other staff is the covenant made with all people, which is thus the 'grace' of the Abrahamic Covenant nullified for the 2nd temple destruction, and diaspora to take place after.

    Zechariah 11:10 I took my staff 'Grace', and cut it apart, that I might break my covenant that I had made with all the peoples.


    Yeshua broke the two staffs, and the flock doomed for slaughter was the house of Israel (Luke 19:41-44).

    Simon and Paul are part of the Foolish Shepherd at the end of Zechariah 11:15-17, as this refers to the Pharisaic branch of Judaism that doesn't have a clue what is going on, and is removed as the Messiah comes in Ezekiel 34, & Jeremiah 23.

    In my opinion.
    :innocent:
     
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    It is good that you note that your rantings are your opinion. Your quoted Luke 19:41-44 is with respect to the house of Judah, and Jerusalem. Judah has already been restored (Joel 3:1), and the "house of Israel" has been "scattered among the nations" for around 2700 years, and will not be restored, "gathered" "from the nations"(Ezekiel 36:22-24) until after (I will deliver My flock) (Ez 34:22), and I will put "one shepherd" "My servant David" "over them"...." and they will no longer be prey to the nations".
     
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    “All righteous Christians” much like the CIA “Christians in Action”/Central intelligence Agency, is a non sequitur. Christians are the followers of Peter and Paul, the two shepherds taken to “pasture the flock doomed to slaughter” (Zechariah 11:4-7). They do not feed the “lost sheep of the house of Israel, who are “scattered among the nations”, nor do they seek them (Ezekiel 34:1-15), but according to Zech 11:17, they “leave the flock”….”and devour the flesh of the fat sheep”. For the “Lord God”, I am against the shepherds, and I shall demand My sheep from them, and make them cease from feeding sheep. So the shepherds will not feed themselves any more, but I shall deliver My flock from their mouths, that they may not be food for them.” “And I will bring them out from the peoples/nations and gather them from the countries and bring them to their own land; and I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the inhabited places of the land.” The “many days” of the “adulteress”, (Hosea 3), bought for the equivalence of 30 shekels of silver, the church built on the sandy foundation of Peter and Paul (Matthew 7:24-27), is coming to an end, will “fall”, and the “sons of Israel” “will return”. (Hosea 3:5)
     
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    I find Daniel 2:44 is Not about Daniel in a 'spiritual world or realm ' but that Daniel (Daniel 12:2,13) looked forward to a future physical resurrection during Jesus' coming kingdom governmental reign over Earth for a thousand years.
    That is why the Bible uses the ' future tense ' that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection..... (Acts 24:15)

    So, the physical world or realm of existence will concern You because at the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth if still alive on Earth, one could possibly remain physically alive on Earth right into the start of calendar Day One when Jesus begins his 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.

    When the ' powers that be ' are saying, "Peace and Security" that is the ' final signal ', so to speak, before the start of the great tribulation which happens before Jesus begins his millennium-long day of governing over Earth.
     
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    I find the ' righteous ' are those of Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 who Jesus separates as figurative humble ' sheep '.
    Those MANY of Matthew 7:21-23 are the ' in name only ' many so-called Christians.

    Just as Jesus warned about the false shepherds of his day, so we too are forewarned so we can be forearmed.
    Jesus pronounced many ' woes ' on those false shepherds in Matthew chapter 23.
    Also, gospel writer Luke informs us that after the death of the apostles an apostasy would settle in once the first century ended until the ' harvest time ' meaning our time. (Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30)
    Genuine ' wheat ' Christians would grow together with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians til the coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth.
     
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