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Rep. Louie Gohmert - tests positive

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm sure you can catch it twice. You can get the flu multiple times.
This seems to negate what you said about another person with antibodies. If you were suggesting this is a good thing towards supposed herd-immunity, that would be an error. This isn't a step towards herd-immunity, if this is true.

Here is the difference in approach... A Republican catches COVID and people accentuate "no mask - how stupid" when it is stupid to think that the ONLY way to catch it is through the respiratory system and not through touch and, on top of that, it is just the Republicans that do it.
It is a fact that masks greatly reduce our risks of getting it. When some dufus politicizes mask wearing, flaunts his defiance of common sense health protection steps, shaking hands, singing loudly in choirs trusting God, not wearing masks, etc. Then what that same person, whether that dufus was a Republican dufus, a Democratic dufus, or a Libertarian dufus, it does in fact lend itself to an immediate "Told you so, dufus," response by reasonable minds. And rightly so.

Vs

Someone catches COVID and we say, "that's a shame, let me pray for them" or "I hope the doctors can help him or that his symptoms are minor."

Just a different approach to the same issue.
No. It is not the same issue. If someone has been doing everything any responsible person can do to prevent getting sick, but then gets sick despite that, we all feel badly for them. When some dufus goes around ignoring the risks, defiantly flaunts them openly, protests against taking these reasonable health precautions: social distancing, wearing masks, washing hands, not touching your own face, etc, and then they get, well, that my friend, is largely seen as being upon themselves. It's no surprise.

Here's an example. Health guidelines say cook your chicken to 165 degrees before eating it. Dufus says, there's nothing wrong with medium-rare chicken, so I cook mine to only 110 degrees. He gets violently ill. Should everyone's response be, "That's terrible. Let's pray he get's better". Or should it be, "What a dumbass! Why did he do that! I hope he survives, and maybe has learned his lesson"?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Here is the difference in approach... A Republican catches COVID and people accentuate "no mask - how stupid" when it is stupid to think that the ONLY way to catch it is through the respiratory system and not through touch and, on top of that, it is just the Republicans that do it.

I don’t know or care how this idiot got it. (And yes, Gohmert is a first class idiot from way back.) The issue is how many people could he have spread it to because he is too stupid to wear a simple mask.
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I don’t know or care how this idiot got it. (And yes, Gohmert is a first class idiot from way back.) The issue is how many people could he have spread it to because he is too stupid to wear a simple mask.
Yes. We need to hide in our homes, don't hug anyone, stay away from each other, increase suicides, augment abuse, close down schools and reduce graduation rates and education... because...

you live in fear.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
you live in fear.
In point of fact, I live in Canada.

Things are relatively normal here, and getting closer to normality. That is because morons like Gohmert and Trump are not in positions of leadership here, and we wouldn’t follow them if they were.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
In point of fact, I live in Canada.

Things are relatively normal here, and getting closer to normality. That is because morons like Gohmert and Trump are not in positions of leadership here, and we wouldn’t follow them if they were.
Yes, Canada has a different paradigm of thought even in how they judge splinters while having logs in their eyes..
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
Has anyone tested positive while wearing a mask?
(Rare, most likely, but not impossible)

Since testing is done by putting a swab into your nose, it would be hard to get tested, positive or negative, while wearing a mask.



I guess I should add a ;).
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Yes. We need to hide in our homes, don't hug anyone, stay away from each other, increase suicides, augment abuse, close down schools and reduce graduation rates and education... because...

you live in fear.



Living cautiously is not living in fear.
Listening to health experts is not living in fear.

There are no restrictions on going outside of your house, so there is no medical reason to "hide in our homes".

Can you post articles supporting your view that suicides have increased due to isolations caused by following COVID guidelines?

Can you post articles supporting your view that graduation rates are negatively affected by homeschooling? I ask because many right-wing religious people have favored homeschooling for years.

Did you ever consider that infecting teachers would lower education standards because fewer people would want to teach in schools as they were last year?
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Just watching coverage of Congressional committee on COVID while posting.


Trump supporter Republican Rep. Jordan trying very hard to get Fauci to state that protests should be banned. Fauci essentially laughed at him.

A Democrat Rep. pointed out that outdoor protest with people wearing masks are not as dangerous as indoor political meetings where wearing masks is discouraged.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Living cautiously is not living in fear.
Listening to health experts is not living in fear.

There are no restrictions on going outside of your house, so there is no medical reason to "hide in our homes".

Can you post articles supporting your view that suicides have increased due to isolations caused by following COVID guidelines?

Can you post articles supporting your view that graduation rates are negatively affected by homeschooling? I ask because many right-wing religious people have favored homeschooling for years.

Did you ever consider that infecting teachers would lower education standards because fewer people would want to teach in schools as they were last year?

The head of the trauma in the department believes mental health is suffering so much, it is time to end the shelter-in-place order.

"Personally I think it's time," said Dr. Mike deBoisblanc. "I think, originally, this (the shelter-in-place order) was put in place to flatten the curve and to make sure hospitals have the resources to take care of COVID patients.We have the current resources to do that and our other community health is suffering."

The numbers are unprecedented, he said.

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.

"Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say


As School Moves Online, Many Students Stay Logged Out
Teachers at some schools across the country report that fewer than half of their students are participating in online learning.

As School Moves Online, Many Students Stay Logged Out

What do you think will happen when more than 50% of students don't continue online learning?

If social distancing is observed, what do you think the rate of infection is between students and teachers? And are you saying graduation isn't important?

German study shows low coronavirus infection rate in schools

Fear shouldn't stop people from moving forward.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
The head of the trauma in the department believes mental health is suffering so much, it is time to end the shelter-in-place order.


He is a trauma surgeon. He is not a mental health specialist.

"Personally I think it's time," said Dr. Mike deBoisblanc. "I think, originally, this (the shelter-in-place order) was put in place to flatten the curve and to make sure hospitals have the resources to take care of COVID patients.We have the current resources to do that and our other community health is suffering."

The numbers are unprecedented, he said.

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks.

"Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

From the same facility...
my bolding
Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
"John Muir Health has been, and continues to be, supportive of the Shelter-in-Place order put in place by Contra Costa County Health Services to prevent the spread of COVID-19. We realize there are a number of opinions on this topic, including within our medical staff, and John Muir Health encourages our physicians and staff to participate constructively in these discussions. We all share a concern for the health of our community whether that is COVID-19, mental health, intentional violence or other issues. We continue to actively work with our Behavioral Health Center, County Health and community organizations to increase awareness of mental health issues and provide resources to anyone in need.

They recognize that there are people like deBoisblanc on their staff and those people have a right to their opinions.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
As School Moves Online, Many Students Stay Logged Out
Teachers at some schools across the country report that fewer than half of their students are participating in online learning.

As School Moves Online, Many Students Stay Logged Out

What do you think will happen when more than 50% of students don't continue online learning?

If social distancing is observed, what do you think the rate of infection is between students and teachers? And are you saying graduation isn't important?


I am questioning why, all of a sudden, many religious conservative Republicans are against homeschooling.

Notice the dates...

What Homeschoolers Should Expect from President Trump
By Antony Kolenc
Written exclusively for Homeschool World, ©2017 Home Life, Inc., all rights reserved.


What about the homeschool vote? Support from homeschoolers is not easily measured; however, considering the demographic statistics above, it is likely that a majority of homeschooling families supported Trump. In addition to issues important to all Americans...he campaigned on important themes to home educators. In particular, he talked about returning control of education to the state and local level, as well as expanding school vouchers and ending Common Core.

So what should homeschoolers expect from a Trump Administration?

Support for Homeschooling

There is little doubt that President Trump will support the freedom of parents to educate their children at home.









Benefits of Homeschooling: How It Could Make Kids Smarter ...
www.raisesmartkid.com › 6-to-10-years-old › 5-articles
Feb 11, 2012 - Why homeschool? Parents cite these reasons on why they homeschool their children: Can give child better education at home; Want to be aware of what the ...

Experts Discuss the Benefits of Homeschooling - CT Home ...
cthomeschoolnetwork.org › experts-discuss-the-benefits...

Aug 28, 2013 - Education analysts and experts are calling on the public to have an open mind on a new way of educating children in China – the home-school. “It is possible ...

Benefits of Homeschooling – Classical Conversations
www.classicalconversations.com › benefits-homeschool...

Jun 12, 2015 - As a homeschool graduate, I am often asked:” what are the benefits of homeschooling?” What did I get out of it, and do I wish I had gone to public or private ...

Benefits of Homeschooling - Why I Homeschooled My Kids
www.goodhousekeeping.com › life › parenting › home...

Jun 28, 2015 - I remember one of my friends in high school whose parents pulled her out to homeschool, and the great pity I felt for her situation as a social 16-year-old. Sohow ...


DeVos championing homeschool freedom w/HSLDA
onenewsnow.com › education › 2017/05/28 › devos-ch...

May 28, 2017 - ... Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos invited a delegation from the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) to discuss the success of homeschooling ...

Homeschooling and Online Education - US Department of State
www.state.gov › family-liaison-office › homeschooling...

Jan 10, 2017 - Index. Homeschooling Allowances; Homeschool Resources and Curricula; Homeschooling in the U.S.. Foreign Service families may decide to home school when ...

Betsy DeVos and the History of Homeschooling
www.processhistory.org › Public › Commentary

Mar 7, 2017 - Betsy DeVos and the History of Homeschooling. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Suddenly homeschooling is a bad thing according to Trump and DeVoss!
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
He is a trauma surgeon. He is not a mental health specialist.



From the same facility...
my bolding
Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say
"John Muir Health has been, and continues to be, supportive of the Shelter-in-Place order put in place by Contra Costa County Health Services to prevent the spread of COVID-19. We realize there are a number of opinions on this topic, including within our medical staff, and John Muir Health encourages our physicians and staff to participate constructively in these discussions. We all share a concern for the health of our community whether that is COVID-19, mental health, intentional violence or other issues. We continue to actively work with our Behavioral Health Center, County Health and community organizations to increase awareness of mental health issues and provide resources to anyone in need.

They recognize that there are people like deBoisblanc on their staff and those people have a right to their opinions.
Doesn't change the numbers:

A crisis mental-health hotline has seen an 891% spike in calls - CNN

891% spike according to CNN
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I am questioning why, all of a sudden, many religious conservative Republicans are against homeschooling.

Notice the dates...

What Homeschoolers Should Expect from President Trump
By Antony Kolenc
Written exclusively for Homeschool World, ©2017 Home Life, Inc., all rights reserved.


What about the homeschool vote? Support from homeschoolers is not easily measured; however, considering the demographic statistics above, it is likely that a majority of homeschooling families supported Trump. In addition to issues important to all Americans...he campaigned on important themes to home educators. In particular, he talked about returning control of education to the state and local level, as well as expanding school vouchers and ending Common Core.

So what should homeschoolers expect from a Trump Administration?

Support for Homeschooling

There is little doubt that President Trump will support the freedom of parents to educate their children at home.









Benefits of Homeschooling: How It Could Make Kids Smarter ...
www.raisesmartkid.com › 6-to-10-years-old › 5-articles
Feb 11, 2012 - Why homeschool? Parents cite these reasons on why they homeschool their children: Can give child better education at home; Want to be aware of what the ...

Experts Discuss the Benefits of Homeschooling - CT Home ...
cthomeschoolnetwork.org › experts-discuss-the-benefits...

Aug 28, 2013 - Education analysts and experts are calling on the public to have an open mind on a new way of educating children in China – the home-school. “It is possible ...

Benefits of Homeschooling – Classical Conversations
www.classicalconversations.com › benefits-homeschool...

Jun 12, 2015 - As a homeschool graduate, I am often asked:” what are the benefits of homeschooling?” What did I get out of it, and do I wish I had gone to public or private ...

Benefits of Homeschooling - Why I Homeschooled My Kids
www.goodhousekeeping.com › life › parenting › home...

Jun 28, 2015 - I remember one of my friends in high school whose parents pulled her out to homeschool, and the great pity I felt for her situation as a social 16-year-old. Sohow ...


DeVos championing homeschool freedom w/HSLDA
onenewsnow.com › education › 2017/05/28 › devos-ch...

May 28, 2017 - ... Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos invited a delegation from the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) to discuss the success of homeschooling ...

Homeschooling and Online Education - US Department of State
www.state.gov › family-liaison-office › homeschooling...

Jan 10, 2017 - Index. Homeschooling Allowances; Homeschool Resources and Curricula; Homeschooling in the U.S.. Foreign Service families may decide to home school when ...

Betsy DeVos and the History of Homeschooling
www.processhistory.org › Public › Commentary

Mar 7, 2017 - Betsy DeVos and the History of Homeschooling. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference.

Suddenly homeschooling is a bad thing according to Trump and DeVoss!
where did you get the information from? Don't agree on multiple points:

1) You placed all Republicans in a box as if there are no differing opinions
2) Most of the time it is the other side of the aisle that is anti-homeschooling (though not all)
3) Those who are pro-home school still are pro-homeschool and are wondering where anti-homeschooling all of a sudden took a different turn.
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
Doesn't change the numbers:

A crisis mental-health hotline has seen an 891% spike in calls - CNN

891% spike according to CNN
Why was there an 891% increase? It was a one month increase of March 2020 over March 2019. It is not, as you seem to believe and as you are inferring, an ongoing epidemic of suicides caused by months of isolation.

I realize you like to push your "support Trump" agenda, but you really should be able to understand what you post.

First, you post about one trauma person yelling chicken little about the horrible effects of isolation. Turns out he is a trauma surgeon, not a mental health expert. Turns out his opinion is not shared by the medical facility he is associated with. I quickly found this out. Why didn't you take the time to find out for yourself before you posted?

Then you chicken little some more with "A crisis mental-health hotline has seen an 891% spike in calls" but fail to say it was a one month (March 2020) incident when a lot of people were understandably concerned about what was happening.

I realize you like to push your "support Trump" agenda, but you really should be able to understand what you post.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
where did you get the information from?

It should be clear that my post was pretty much a screenshot of Google results about homeschooling with a date filter turned on.


Don't agree on multiple points:

1) You placed all Republicans in a box as if there are no differing opinions

Do you not understand that "many religious conservative Republicans" is not the same as "all Republicans"? It's no wonder that you post articles without understanding the content.


Don't agree on multiple points:

2) Most of the time it is the other side of the aisle that is anti-homeschooling (though not all)

Yes. That is exactly my point. Most of the time the Dems are against homeschooling and the "many religious conservative Republicans" are for homeschooling.

Now that Trump comes out and insists that schools reopen, many religious conservative Republicans are against homeschooling and parrot their idiot leader yelling "We must Reopen Schools".


Don't agree on multiple points:

3) Those who are pro-home school still are pro-homeschool and are wondering where anti-homeschooling all of a sudden took a different turn.

One such person is Donald Trump's personal choice for Secy of Education - Betsy Devos.

All emphases mine
Betsy DeVos wants to use America's schools to build "God's kingdom." She's about to get her chance.
DeVos, who is married to Amway scion Dick DeVos (Forbes says his father, Richard, is worth more than $5 billion), was seen as a controversial choice because of the family’s history of heavy spending on right-wing causes—at least $200 million since the 1970s to think tanks, media outlets, political committees, and advocacy groups. And then there’s the DeVoses’ long support of vouchers for private, religious schools; conservative Christian groups like the Foundation for Traditional Values, which has pushed to soften the separation of church and state; and organizations like Michigan’s Mackinac Center for Public Policy, which has championed the privatization of the education system.​
-----------------------------------
What DeVos Appointment Could Mean to Homeschoolers
PHILANTHROPY: What about homeschooling?

MRS. DEVOS: Homeschooling represents another perfectly valid educational option. We’ve seen more and more people opt for homeschooling, including in urban areas. ...To the extent that homeschooling puts parents back in charge of their kids’ education, more power to them.
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DeVos Abandons a Lifetime of Local Advocacy to Demand Schools Reopen
DeVos Abandons a Lifetime of Local Advocacy to Demand Schools Reopen
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos has become the face of the Trump administration’s demands, a stance diametrically opposite to how she has led the department.​


How is it that you do not have access to this common knowledge?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Why was there an 891% increase? It was a one month increase of March 2020 over March 2019. It is not, as you seem to believe and as you are inferring, an ongoing epidemic of suicides caused by months of isolation.

I realize you like to push your "support Trump" agenda, but you really should be able to understand what you post.

First, you post about one trauma person yelling chicken little about the horrible effects of isolation. Turns out he is a trauma surgeon, not a mental health expert. Turns out his opinion is not shared by the medical facility he is associated with. I quickly found this out. Why didn't you take the time to find out for yourself before you posted?

Then you chicken little some more with "A crisis mental-health hotline has seen an 891% spike in calls" but fail to say it was a one month (March 2020) incident when a lot of people were understandably concerned about what was happening.

I realize you like to push your "support Trump" agenda, but you really should be able to understand what you post.
Nothing to do with an "agenda" other than I love my neighbor as myself.

I also realize that if you can change the subject and create a strawman, it is because you have no substantive information to refute my position. Making it a Trump issue is a strawman.

There is a cost factor for every decision. Can we use a little logic?

1) Businesses are closing - bankruptcy
2) Jobs are being lost affecting income capacity
3) Children's education are being affected
4) You can't hug anyone (touch is still a necessity), have to stay home, can't go out like you use too.

Each additional change affects the psyche of a person with 3 major changes classified as critical.

And you are saying there is no change? No increase in suicide hotlines? You ignore 891% spike, you ignore two unbiased supportive documentation. Would you like another?
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Nothing to do with an "agenda" other than I love my neighbor as myself.

I also realize that if you can change the subject and create a strawman, it is because you have no substantive information to refute my position. Making it a Trump issue is a strawman.

There is a cost factor for every decision. Can we use a little logic?

1) Businesses are closing - bankruptcy
2) Jobs are being lost affecting income capacity
3) Children's education are being affected
4) You can't hug anyone (touch is still a necessity), have to stay home, can't go out like you use too.

This is all the more reason you should support universal mask wearing and condemn these fools who spread disinformation. If you want to open businesses and keep them open, if you want schools open safely, if you want the economy to recover, if you want life to return to a sense of normalcy you need people following common sense steps, wearing a mask, washing hands, keeping social distance.

Wearing masks is not going to keep businesses closed. Not wearing masks is going to close businesses.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
How is it that you do not have access to this common knowledge?

I'm amused.... are you biased? NY Times political report?

July 7th
Betsy DeVos rejects part-time reopening for schools amid coronavirus pandemic
“It’s clear that our nations schools must fully reopen and fully operate this school year. Anything short of that robs students, not to mention taxpayers, of their future,” DeVos said.

July 10th
https://www.washingtonpost.com
Trump and DeVos want schools ‘fully’ open, but not many are listening

How is it that you do not have access to this common knowledge? :p


Do you not understand that "many religious conservative Republicans" is not the same as "all Republicans"? It's no wonder that you post articles without understanding the content.

So, you are many religious conservative Republicans are all homeschoolers? My statement still applies.

OBVIOUSLY, these are people who have their children in public schools in the first place.

My children are homeschool and life continues as normal for them and have no beef in public schools opening or staying closed.

Did you use logic when you wrote this? :)
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I also realize that if you can change the subject and create a strawman, it is because you have no substantive information to refute my position. Making it a Trump issue is a strawman.
I wasn't making it a Trump issue. I wasn't making it anything. YOU are the one who posted misinformation at least twice. The misinformation you posted parroted Trump's views. You have expressed your political leanings in the pst. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that your posts were to support your political agenda.

I changed no subjects. I responded to the biased articles you posted. I created no strawman. I showed that your biased articles were opinion pieces that supported your agenda.

If you don't like people commenting on your postings, don't post.
 
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