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Remarkably complete’ 3.8-million-year-old cranium of human ancestor discovered in Ethiopia

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
There is a lot of debunking still to take place Ill wager....o_O
Taking science's word for what they cannot support with any real evidence is just gullibility IMO.
Who put science up there on that pedestal? :shrug: It s a long way to fall.


Neither can they....:oops:



No, its something to jump up and down about, making world headlines!.....but the world is jumping too.....because they believe everything scientists say like they are God and science is their religion.....:rolleyes:
Well, science just has a better record than the alternatives.
You know, GPS, space flight, internet, airplanes, etc.
So whatever scientists have to offer, even if they're wrong,
is at least interesting...more so than arguments about
whether Islam or Christianity is the true religion.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
The fossil of 3.8 million years old. Modern humans have only existed for about 200,000 years. A lot can happen and change in a few million years.

I don't buy science's version at all. There is no evidence that evolution ever took place...it is assumed, not proven.

From this article...
Ancient fossil skull discovered in Ethiopia fills critical gap in human evolution

"Dr Haile-Selassie, a world authority on ancient human evolution at the Cleveland Museum of Natural History, was on a dig at Woranso-Mille in the Afar region of Ethiopia in 2016 when he was approached by the local herdsman.

The man had walked 3 kilometres from where he was camped with his family to show Dr Haile-Selassie a jawbone he'd picked up from the ground while tending to his goats on the harsh, rocky plateau.

Dr Haile-Selassie returned to the site with the man, who pointed out where the fossil came from.

"About 3 metres away from where the upper jaw was found the whole cranium was sitting there," he recalled.

"That's when I realised it was something really, really significant."


How did they find a 3.8 million year old fossil just lying on the ground? Seriously?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Well, science just has a better record than the alternatives.

Do they? What record do they have that is supposed to make them trustworthy?

You know, GPS, space flight, internet, airplanes, etc.
So whatever scientists have to offer, even if they're wrong,
is at least interesting...more so than arguments about
whether Islam or Christianity is the true religion.

You could be right.....but everywhere man has gone with science, it has ended up being used for sinister purposes.....its a "man and science", "hand-in-glove sort of thing". Lust for money is usually at the bottom of all of it.

Science has been responsible for some of the most despicable disregard for the carefully balanced eco-systems on this unique planet, bringing it and all its inhabitants in many parts of the earth to the brink of extinction. Nature takes care of the earth and its creatures, but humans are not taking care of nature...the end result has a lot of people worried about the future.

The lungs of the world are currently burning and the custodians of that extremely important world resource don't appear to care.
At the feet of science we can lay the blame for much of the chemical pollution, air pollution, water pollution, and food interference affecting our lives on a daily basis. Whole fresh foods are replaced with processed rubbish. Climate change is now blamed for the devastating droughts that are affecting many nations, whilst others are drowning. The ice caps are melting at an alarming rate.....so, have all the scientific advances really been good for the planet in the long term? They are now warning about the effects of 5G radiation....but those with financial investments are making sure that no one has any concerns about it...its perfectly safe...or is it? Smoking at one time was perfectly safe and so was asbestos....
No one really knows the long term effects of these exposures over time, especially considering the amount of time kids are glued to their phones. Their brains are not fully formed.

Science has basically killed God in the minds of those not disposed to being spiritually minded, so many people now think that science is God......but how trustworthy have they ever really been in the past? Is the trust misplaced...I believe it is.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Lol, I must be getting dispatches from the Twilight Zone. I must adjust my reciever. :rolleyes:

I'm sure that the Creator will show us all where we should have put our trust.
You can never trust humans to tell the truth if there is money to be had. God cannot be bought.
He tells a very different story...so who do you trust?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I'm sure that the Creator will show us all where we should have put our trust.
You can never trust humans to tell the truth if there is money to be had. God cannot be bought.
He tells a very different story...so who do you trust?
Neither most humans or your god. I do accept the findings of peer-reviewed scientific studies and evidence, though.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Who said? And where is the proof for all these allegations? I have only ever seen assumptions dressed up as science. They have nothing but imagination palmed off as evidence. Its complete rubbish.

This is an example of bearing false witness against your brother. Creationists as a group refuse to even learn what is and what is not evidence. It is the only way that they can keep their denial alive.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
@Deeje There is an insurmountable mountain of evidence available. You're merely being willfully ignorant of it. That's a form of dishonesty, which is a sin. I pray for your immortal soul as it dances precariously along the edge of damnation.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
There is no real evidence that humans had ancestors who looked like this.

Except for pretty much all data available on humans, primates from genetics, archeology, paleontology, comparative anatomy, ........

It is an assumption...based more on imagination, rather than real evidence.

false

Who does it most resemble? Ape or man?

That ancient ancestors looked more like chimps / gorrila's / oerang oetangs is expected. It would actually be more problematic to human evolutionary history if 4 million year old skulls looked more distinctly like modern homo sapiens skulls.

Isn't this imagination running riot?

No. It is instead fully within expectation considering its age.

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This Ethiopian "find" is not a "human" skull...it is clearly a small ape.

Homo Sapiens evolved around 200.000 years ago. If a 4 million year old skull looked distinctly human, then evolutionary history as presently understood would be false.

Instead though, this 4 million year old skull fits exactly within expectations.


Who says its an ancestor of man? Science does not really know that apes evolved into humans....

Science does know. That humans and chimps and the other great apes share a common ancestor is a genetic fact.

it is only supposed that they did.....

No. It's factual that they did, as demonstrated by our collective DNA.

and with very flimsy evidence to back it up.

Genetics is anything but "flimsy".

Similarity does not confirm relationship.

But the patterns of DNA matches and nested hierarchies in DNA molecules, does.


Who said that the diversity of apes is even a result of evolution?

The evidence.

Much ado about nothing IMO.....:rolleyes:

Your opinion is noted, and in direct contradiction with scientific fields like biology, paleontology, genetics, molecular biology, comparative anatomy, the fossil record, ....
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Do they? What record do they have that is supposed to make them trustworthy?

Scientists working according the scientific method have accomplished 100 times more in just 200 years, then in the thousands of years preceeding it.

Our entire technological society is the direct result of scientific inquiry.

Science is demonstrably the best method to find out how the world works.

You could be right.....but everywhere man has gone with science, it has ended up being used for sinister purposes.....its a "man and science", "hand-in-glove sort of thing". Lust for money is usually at the bottom of all of it.

Which is completely irrelevant to how the scientific method is the best method we have to come up with accurate answers to questions about the world.

What the findings of science are eventually used for, is completely irrelevant to the fact that science comes up with accurate findings.

As a matter of fact...... the entire idea that "men use the findings of science for evil", acknowledges that science works. After all, you can't build an atomic bomb if atom theory isn't accurate. The nuke would not explode.

Science has been responsible for some of the most despicable disregard for the carefully balanced eco-systems on this unique planet, bringing it and all its inhabitants in many parts of the earth to the brink of extinction. Nature takes care of the earth and its creatures, but humans are not taking care of nature...the end result has a lot of people worried about the future

Dude... science is just a method of inquiry to get rational answers to rational questions.
Pollution, weaponry, etc.... all that has nothing to do with science and everything with commerce and politics.

As a matter of fact..... currently scientists are pretty much screaming that a climate crisis is on our hands due to the burning of fossil fuels. They are pleading politics to take action. And they have been saying this for decades already.

Is Trump science or a scientist? Did scientists reopen coal mines in the US? Did scientists retreat from the climate treaty?

Inform yourself a bit please....

The lungs of the world are currently burning and the custodians of that extremely important world resource don't appear to care.
Those custodians being politicians................................................

At the feet of science we can lay the blame for much of the chemical pollution, air pollution, water pollution, and food interference affecting our lives on a daily basis.

No. All that is done by industry and commercial companies and politicians fail to regulate or take action.


Whole fresh foods are replaced with processed rubbish.

Again done by companies.


Climate change is now blamed for the devastating droughts that are affecting many nations, whilst others are drowning. The ice caps are melting at an alarming rate.....

And scientists have been yelling for decades that this is happening and pleading politicians to take action and nothing happens. Yet, you try to blame science for this?

Be serious please.

so, have all the scientific advances really been good for the planet in the long term?

Yes. How the findings of science are being used in commercial and political setting, is not something you can pin on scientists.

Nuclear theory for example.
You can use that knowledge to build hydrogen bombs or you can use it to build MRI scanners.
And in both cases, it's the one providing the funding who decides which is build.

They are now warning about the effects of 5G radiation....

"They", being scientists, by any chance?

but those with financial investments are making sure that no one has any concerns about it...its perfectly safe...or is it?

And those with financial investments, are commercial companies/organizations and/or politicians, by any chance?

Smoking at one time was perfectly safe and so was asbestos....

And then, through science, it was discovered that it wasn't.

Science has basically killed God in the minds of those not disposed to being spiritually minded, so many people now think that science is God......but how trustworthy have they ever really been in the past? Is the trust misplaced...I believe it is.

Arguing strawmen while using faulty premises, does not an argument make...
 
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