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Featured Religious views on abortion

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Unveiled Artist, Mar 29, 2021.

  1. KenS

    KenS Face to face with my Father
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    My wife and I would hold to that it is not.
     
  2. thomas t

    thomas t non-denominational Christian

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    fallen thigh means that they hang down. As opposed to sexy thighs that are curvy and well shaped.
    It's not an illness, so I'd say there is no medical name for it.

    Yeah you have your opinion, I have mine.
    However, condoning abortion is a reproach as I see it.

    So the onus is on the ones who claim so.

    That's my take on the matter.
     
  3. Mestemia

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    So basically you are saying that if a women cheats on her husband back then that "fallen thighs" and "swollen belly" is the punishment from god?

    Wow.
    Just...
    wow

    Ok then.

    I will stick with my opinion.
    I find yours to be severely lacking.
     
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  4. URAVIP2ME

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    In Scripture the thigh being located in the general area of the body dealing with reproductive organs.
    Note: Genesis 46:26; Exodus 1:5; Judges 8:30
    So, the word 'thigh' could very well be a substitution referring to sexual organs.
    So, ' fall or fall away ' we would now say ' waste away ' (shrivel away).
    Remember adultery was a capital offence carrying the death penalty.
    But we are speaking about a situation that required two or more witnesses - Numbers 35:40; Deuteronomy 19:15 - so in this case there were No witnesses; No one was identified or revealed.
    If the woman was guilty, and since there were No witnesses, she experienced the loss of her sex organs.
    Meaning she would No longer be able to conceive ever again.

     
  5. URAVIP2ME

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    If you mean by 'cheats' meaning 'adultery' then you are right.
    Under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel the punishment for adultery was: death.
    In this case there were No eye witnesses, No person named or identified.
    So, in this case if the wife was really guilty her reproductive organs would cease.
     
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    Methinks you should re-examine that verse because to me the "mischief" that might follow is the possible death of the woman. That's why "life for life". The man was only required to pay a fine(whatever the father asked) for killing the unborn child by accident.
     
  7. thomas t

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    I'd rather see it as a preemptive measure.
    If she cheated once, a swollen belly takes the sexy curves away and she won't cheat twice after the potion...
     
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    It shouldn't be to you. Have you Google'd when a fetus feels the pain of abortion.
     
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    I appreciate your strong opinions. Many people have strong opinions. You cannot go wrong pursuing or attempting to purse the Bible's opinions, particularly if you've trusted Jesus for salvation (born again).
     
  10. BilliardsBall

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    Yes, righteous judges in the gospels, NT and OT were not always to proscribe the Law without finding the mitigating circumstances, for example, here, how did the Pharisees catch her in adultery? It was a setup.

    Thank you for not judging me.
     
  11. viole

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    We all agree that after 1 hour from conception, it will not.
    So, would you be fine with that?

    If you say that abortion is wrong at any time after conception, what are the reasons? For sure feeling pain cannot be one of them, since a few human cells do not feel pain when terminated. So, those reasons must be something else.

    So, what is it?

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    Suggestion to the Almighty. While you seem to punish cheating women by disabling their sex appeal, what about punishing mass murderers by disabling their murderous capacities, whatever they are? I am not aware of any of the sort being applied by You to them.

    Unless, of course, You Almighty think that cheating on a husband is soooo much worse than performing mass murders. Since You seem to have a much higher indulgence for the latter and not for the former, I cannot exclude that You will not follow my advice.

    Anyway, just my humble suggestion to our Morality Giver.

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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    Eh...? I’m very confused now.
    But also quite curious! What do you mean...? By “god” in that sentence; are you referring to a specific definition of God or to just any sort of god(s)?

    Perhaps this is a very naive question - if so, please forgive me - but, are there godless religions too?

    My world seems very small at times...


    Humbly
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  14. thomas t

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    Thank you Viole for your valid prayer to Yahweh (I suppose it's him you talked to...).
    It's a good prayer.
    Thank you for publishing it in a response to me.

    Murder is certainly horrible,
    there is one difference that I see: the wife promised to stay with her husband in ancient Israel.
     
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    So, if I do not promise to not kill anyone, and I do kill someone, I am more excusable?

    Simple explanation: all those things do not have anything to do with God, since that God was just made up by that ancient paternalistic society, more terrified by their women cheating on them than by performing genocide. Don't you see how obvious that is?

    Ciao

    - viole
     
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  16. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes. There are godless religions. I can't name them all, but Buddhism is one of them. If you mean the christian god (a creator), there are thousands without that definition of god. I think saying all religions have god (my thought, not yours) is generalizing the whole set of religions I wouldn't know about. So, I guess I give the benefit of the doubt that even though a majority of people believe in some form of god(s), there are religions who don't hold such beliefs. I don't know if they are on this board-or at least they are associating the word god with the christian god which isn't always the case.
     
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    Thank you Unveiled Artist,
    I understand what was meant better now.

    I suppose one’s interpretation of the sentence, depends on how broad one’s definition of the term “god” is.

    I see ideas of godliness in all human notions of the Divine and therefore - possibly quite wrongly - think of a Buddhists “god” in form of a universal consciousness, understanding and wisdom - a collective Godhead, if you will.

    Humbly
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    And that becomes the point whereas capital punishment in today's societies is pro-death, not pro-life. Plus it stands to common sense, namely that people tend to change one way or the other as their life goes on, thus we've seen myriads of people over the years who changed their life for the better.

    I can relate to that because, when I was in my 20's, I was an agnostic hunting for a sense of direction. It was then that I ran across a women also in her 20's that would end up changing my life forever even though we didn't end up together.
     
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    From what I gather, the Buddha denied deities (of Hinduism) in relation to enlightenment. I'm not sure how he viewed consciousness, but I do know that even though he may have believed in (the Hindu) god, it wasn't part of his Dharma. He rejected it, actually.
     
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    The Buddha did not deny deities but taught that any thought of a creator-god was irrelevant.
     
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