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Discussion in 'Agnosticism' started by syo, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. shunyadragon

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    No, people describe God in many different conflicting ways, but they are only describing their own cutural/religious view of God. God cannot be described by fallible humans.
     
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    Christians describe God as good, all knowing, all powerful, and countless other descriptions; and they say they got those descriptions from the Bible. Whether you agree with those descriptions or not, surely you've heard God described this way; haven't you?
     
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    Your describing attributes of God, and not a description of God. For example many if not most describe God as a Trinity.
     
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    Yes! I was describing attributes of God; you're making my point
     
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    No, the spiritual attributes of God are not God. The Trinity is an attempt to describe God.
     
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    The attributes are a description of God. Just like if I were to describe the person on your profile, I might say a 60ish year old white male with a long white beard wearing a blue shirt and a white stetson hat. It would be foolish to say I’m not describing the guy on your profile rather I’m describing his age, beard color, and the clothes he wears. When you describe a person’s age, weight, height, hair style, attitude, even attributes, these are descriptions of the person
     
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    All of the above is true, but no one can describe God as you are doing me. I gave an example of how humans describe God as the Trinity, and you have not responded.

    What you would call the attributes of God are true from my perspective, but from those who do not believe they are simply the natural attributes of being human.
     
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    I described your appearance. Are you saying nobody can describe his appearance? If that’s what you meant, I agree; the Bible doesn't give much of a description of his appearance
    That’s because I agree! The Trinitarian description is still a description
    I don’t know of any attributes of being human that include all knowing, and all powerful.
     
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    Part of the problem is the Bible describes God from the cultural human perspective as anthropomorphic. Christians describing God as a Trinity is reflection of this ancient cultural perspective. Also the God of each ancient religion is described as the only God rejecting the God of other religions.

    Though in terms of atheists, agnostics and other non-believers the 'all-knowing and all powerful' are the Laws of Nature. Closer to the subject of the thread in terms 'What are religious agnostics?'

    I believe in 'philosophical agnosticism,' because I cannot definitively prove God's existence, nor can I differentiate the God of Abraham from the Buddhist or Hindu 'Source' of our physical existence, because they describe this 'Source' in terms of their own cultural perspective.
     
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    If you aren't able to describe what it is you believe in, then I'd say you don't believe either.
     
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    Woof! Over your head in not understanding my posts concerning the nature of belief concerning God. Go back and reread and respond again.
     
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    I don’t think the Trinity is a result of Christian cultural perspective, I think Christian cultural perspective is the result of the Trinity
    Why not just read the ancient Holy Texts of Hindu, and Buddhism and compare them to the Bible, then perhaps you would be able to differentiate the God of Abraham from those other religions.
     
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    True, because your a believer, but nonetheless many people, including many Christians read the text and do not believe the Trinity defines the nature of God.

    Jews read the texts, Buddhist read the texts, and Jews remain Jews and Buddhists remain Buddhists. I have read the texts and compared them to the texts of different religions, and fine no reason to choose Christianity.
     
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    No one knows for sure, but it depends on whether we act like gods exist or not.
     
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    Perhaps, but in the Christian community, those people are the minority; the exception to the rule, the vast majority of Christians do accept the Trinity.
    When you read various religious texts, do you see the difference between the God of Abraham vs the Gods of the various other religious texts?
     
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    So what??!?!?!!?!??! The fact that Christians have varied views of God based on the same text is the issue. Popularity is not measure of what is true.

    Again, so what!?!?! It still remains that the differences reflect the culture and time. There are differences between the God of the OT, no Trinity, and the God of Christianity. Differences reflect inconsistency in the human view of God.

    I see more differences concerning God within the Bible.
     
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    We’re not talking about what is true, we’re talking about what people believe to be true.
    Before you said you cannot differentiate the God of Abraham from the Buddhist or Hindu Source of existence. Do you still that position?
     
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    Well, ah . . . all the many diverse conflicting thousands of different religions, divisions, and churches believe they alone are one the only one true belief.

    You are not reading my posts and misrepresenting me. The point is that I cannot determine which is the belief is in the one true God or 'Source' based on what they believe and their scriptures.

    The many different conflicting beliefs demonstrate that the beliefs of the different religions reflect a fallible human perspective of God.
     
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    I agree!
    I have no idea what you just said, but I obviously did misunderstand you; my apologies.
    I agree. As an atheist, rather than believing God created man in his own image, I believe man created God in his own image, and the different cultures of mankind are often reflected in the different Gods they’ve created to worship. Sorta as I said before, men of war will create a God of war to worship, men of peace will create a God of peace to worship.
     
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