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Discussion in 'Agnosticism' started by syo, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. Earthtank

    Earthtank Active Member

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    Hey Mods, can we please get a "confused" rating added?
     
  2. Unveiled Artist

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    Okay? I don't see the connection of my comment.
     
  3. shunyadragon

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    True, but if God exists God cannot be defined by any of the above.
     
  4. Kfox

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    I was sorta confirming the point Syo made about how those who believe in God (theism) may not have knowledge of God (agnosticism).
     
  5. Kfox

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    That's only if YOUR concept of God exists he can't be described that way; but not everybody has your concept of God, some people have concepts of God that if they did exist they could and are described that way
     
  6. shunyadragon

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    Of course anyone can define God as a dragon, 'Spaghetti Monster,' A King in the clouds, or whatever, but this presents a problem and contradictory if God is an all powerful Creator of our physical existence.

    Conflicting views and beliefs of God in many diverse religions does make the different religions irrational and illogical and questionable whether God exists or not. Part of the problem is that the way God is defined in different religions has a strong cultural element. Considering the nature of of universal Creator God if God exists fallible humans cannot define God from the human perspective.
     
  7. Kfox

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    The contradiction is only if God is described as YOUR God is described. Again; not all God concepts are described as all powerful creator of physical existence like yours
    What’s preventing them? Especially when you consider nearly every God comes with a unsubstantiated Ancient Holy Text that does a pretty good job of describing him.
     
  8. shunyadragon

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    I do not describe God as my God. Actually, pretty mu all the Abrahamic religions describe God as all powerful creator of physical existence, which is the subject here. Yes, there are many polytheistic, and miscellaneous Gods in many cultures, but not the subject here.

    Nothing is preventing anyone from believing in any version of God they choose. When did I say they could not?
     
  9. Kfox

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    When you said “if God exist, he can’t be defined” you made it about all monotheistic Gods; not just the God of Abraham. If you meant specifically the God of Abraham, you should have clarified by saying so hence my misunderstanding of the point you made.
    That’s not what I asked. What’s preventing (since we’re talking about the God of Abraham) a Christian from reading the bible, using the descriptions of God from the bible to describe him?
     
  10. shunyadragon

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    Consider my view the God of Abraham for now on for discussion, but this does preclude that Monotheists do not believe in many Gods . Other religions are not as clear nor consistent in belief of a Monotheistic God. Belief in Monotheism precludes the existence of many other different kinds of Gods.

    Again, Monotheists believe their God is the only universal God, and define God in many conflicting ways, which is a contradiction.

    It is obvious you do not believe in Gods, and I acknowledge that. You do not seem to comprehend the substance of my argument that from the human perspective we cannot define God, if it is believed, at the exclusion of other religious beliefs in a Monotheistic God.

    Nothing as I said before. People can believe in any kind of Monotheistic God the want. Christians for the most part do not believe in many kinds of Gods, ie like the Greeks.
     
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    Will do.
    You say that from the outside looking in. When I stand outside and look in at your religion, Christianity doesn’t look very clear nor consistent in a belief of a Monotheistic God; when you look at issues like the Trinity, let us make man, etc.
    Christianity is not the first monotheist religion; there were others before it.
    If a Christian get their description of God from the Bible, where is the contradiction?
    Did you even read what I said? Because your response had nothing to do with what I asked.
    Again; what’s to stop a Christian from reading the Bible, and describing God in accordance to how he is described in the Bible?
     
  12. shunyadragon

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    Yes, but they consider the Trinity Monotheistic, and other Christians do not believe in the Trinity as Monotheist based on the same Bible.

    True, so what?!?!?! Not an issue

    First even though the same Bible many Christians come up with different beliefs in God.

    Yes, I did read your responses. My responses are specific.
     
  13. shunyadragon

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    It is not as confusing as you think. I believe in God, but consider myself a 'philosophical agnostic,' because in reality I do not know whether God exists or not. Many theists realize that there is no factual certainty that God exists.
     
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    It seems absolutely absurd to me that someone would join a religion centered around a God when they have no idea what that God is or isn't.
     
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    Of course it is absurd to you as an atheist or something close, because you do not believe.
     
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    Like your belief that God can't be described? You're making my point.
    Your answer was about people who worship other Gods; not the Christian God. My question was about those who worship the Christian God. Care to try again? This time answer MY question; not something else
     
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    Answered your question.
     
  18. Kfox

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    You did not answer my question. I asked about Christians who read the Bible, and you answer about people who are of other religions. It appears you aren't going to answer my question; and I think I know why. My point is, though you may not be able to describe God, there are others who feel they can and do.
     
  19. shunyadragon

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    It remains that Christians and non-Christians who read the Bible come up with many different interpretations, and just simply describe God differently based on their interpretation.

    Actually, this thread is about religious agnostics, and your line of reasoning is off topic.
     
  20. Kfox

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    Ahh so he can be described. Thanks for finally answering my question.
     
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