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Featured Religion Has Nothing to Do With Science

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Nakosis, Nov 11, 2019.

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  1. Nakosis

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    I'm going to take the position that religion has nothing to do with science.

    Do you disagree?
    Why?
     
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  2. Earthtank

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    I disagree, if you need to ask why then, you really have no clue what you are talking about and should quit now. I am pretty sure others won't be as "nice" to you.
     
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  3. Amanaki

    Amanaki Living in the moment

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    I agree with you. Religion and science are the two opponents to each other.
     
  4. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta and Spiritualist and Pantheist
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    I think I'll agree but religion can't contradict proven science either. Religion can go where science can not address though,
     
  5. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    I don't agree that religion and science are opposed. Take an obvious example, the Dalai Lama who said very clearly that if science disproves a Buddhist idea, he'll drop the idea in favor of what science discovers.

    There are also many scientific believers. They have no trouble reconciling both. I count myself amongst their number.
     
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  6. Mindmaster

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    Your religion can take the approach that both should be considered to find the truth of various matters. Mine does anyway... :D

    Anyway, it's commonly misunderstood that belief and faith matter more than evidence in most religions but there are few where evidence is important. The truth can be illuminated by a spiritual path, but it is validated by evidence. A religion of proper construction should be willing to accept the evidence and change it's views accordingly, just as we do in our everyday lives. That's the only way you can find the truth -- is if you're willing to hear it, so to speak.

    But, I think to some extent your statement is an oversimplification of the religions of the masses. While the church authorities have a position, the lay folk of most faiths are really somewhere in the middle for the most part on this. They're not completely ignoring science, but also not rejecting the messages of the faith either -- they're mixing them to come up with their views. The modern day religious zealot is a rare creature indeed in these times, but there are a few of them around and they're more mouthy than the average Christian, Muslim, or Jew.
     
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    Religion, specifically the Christian religion, has had quite a bit to do with science.

    "Until the French Revolution, the Catholic Church was the leading sponsor of scientific research. Starting in the Middle Ages, it paid for priests, monks and friars to study at the universities. The church even insisted that science and mathematics should be a compulsory part of the syllabus. And after some debate, it accepted that Greek and Arabic natural philosophy were essential tools for defending the faith. By the seventeenth century, the Jesuit order had become the leading scientific organisation in Europe, publishing thousands of papers and spreading new discoveries around the world. The cathedrals themselves were designed to double up as astronomical observatories to allow ever more accurate determination of the calendar. And of course, modern genetics was founded by a future abbot growing peas in the monastic garden.

    But religious support for science took deeper forms as well. It was only during the nineteenth century that science began to have any practical applications. Technology had ploughed its own furrow up until the 1830s when the German chemical industry started to employ their first PhDs. Before then, the only reason to study science was curiosity or religious piety. Christians believed that God created the universe and ordained the laws of nature. To study the natural world was to admire the work of God. This could be a religious duty and inspire science when there were few other reasons to bother with it. It was faith that led Copernicus to reject the ugly Ptolemaic universe; that drove Johannes Kepler to discover the constitution of the solar system; and that convinced James Clerk Maxwell he could reduce electromagnetism to a set of equations so elegant they take the breathe away."

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    So while religion today has virtually nothing to do with science, science owes a debt of gratitude to religion for the advancements it was able to make in the past.

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  8. The Anointed

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    There are as many if not more scientific theories as to the origin of our universe as there are religious bodies, such as Abrahamic, Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

    So, which scientific theory would you like to discuss as to the origin of our universe?
     
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    Really? How many scientific theories on the origin of the Universe can you name?
     
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    Automotive repair has nothing to do with hunting.

    Then again, everything is related.
     
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  11. lewisnotmiller

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    I was trying to work out how to respond, but this is more succinct than whatever blather I was about to type. +1
     
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    Science is based on observation and experiment in the natural world, not on guesses, dreams and faith
     
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    I think you need to explain that, as it is by no means self-evident.

    Many people, including myself, would say that science and religion address different issues (cf. Gould's non-overlapping magisteria) and from this one can say religion does not have anything to do with science.

    I suppose one could make an argument that, strictly, it is science that has nothing to do with religion, whereas religion may consider that science has something to say to it. Is that what you mean, by any chance?
     
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  15. LuisDantas

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    Oh, religion has much to do with science.

    Very much indeed.

    At its best, religion benefits from science, as do all other fields of human activity. And since religion is a varied activity that focuses on the interaction between people, it benefits first and foremost from the scientific findings that involve human health, quality of life in general, learning and motivation, as well as economy, ecology, psychology, sociology and anthropology generally. Even political science.

    At its worst, "religion" tries to give orders to its benefactor out of misguided pride and delusions.
     
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    Depends how you define Religion I guess

    I belong to a religious group of Scientists
    I believe something when it's proven
     
  17. Mock Turtle

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    Question should be - has science anything to do with religion - and the answer would be, no. Science might aid religious belief or oppose such, but that is merely incidental to what the aims of science are, to me that is, which is to explain reality. Religions might offer an alternative reality if one chooses to accept this.
     
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  18. SalixIncendium

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    The choices in your poll do not reflect my views.

    In short, it depends on the religion. Some ignore science, some embrace science, and a few incorporate it into their philosophies.
     
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  19. HonestJoe

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    Religion doesn’t have anything specifically to do with science but all human concepts will be inexorably linked with each other. Religion has something to do with science but only as much/little as they both do with vegetarianism, interpretative dance or cowboy hats. :cool:
     
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