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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by usfan, May 26, 2019.

  1. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    Atheism is the logical sensible presumption that an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, highly benevolent supernatural deity really doesn't exist, unless proven otherwise. Atheism is contrary to theism, the belief of theists, who make the nonsensical presumption that an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, highly benevolent supernatural deity actually exists, unless proven otherwise.
     
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  2. usfan

    usfan Well-Known Member

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    IMO, that is impossible. Humans NEVER differentiate between their beliefs, and blur facts, opinions, and indoctrination easily between every category..

    Politics? Science? Worldview? Religion?

    Those are all jumbled together in a primordial soup of beliefs, into a worldview, ideology, or religion. Pick your term. It describes the same thing.
     
  3. Altfish

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    I don't fear the term; in fact in many countries to have atheism termed as a religion would bring many tax benefits.

    I just continue to fail to understand how it can be termed a religion as a religion carries so much more baggage.
    Again, this is a nonsensical statement to me because I am (say) a non christian - but I still acknowledge that there is christian belief
     
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  4. usfan

    usfan Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so 'religion', means 'anything connected to a belief in deities'. Buddhists are excluded, as well as most atheists. So only theists can be 'religious'. It is a synonym for 'theist', and means the same thing.

    The 'freedom of religion' clause is just for legal purposes, and implies atheistic belief.

    But 'religion' is only for theists. Is that how atheists prefer to see the term?

    Are Buddhists non-religious, then? An organized 'Church of Atheism' is not religious, either? Only theists can be (and are, by definition), religious?

    Why are there so many atheists, strongly presenting their beliefs, in a forum titled, 'Religious Forums?' Would that not be inappropriate, to camp in a theistic based forum?
     
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    ..and i acknowledge the atheistic belief. What is the difference?
     
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    This whole thread is a discussion of the definitions of terms, correct? Are you now making a more general case that we should just succumb to conflations?
     
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    Altfish Well-Known Member

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    One is a positive belief, one is a rejection of that positive belief.

    Anyway, you'll never convince me that it is a religion based on normal, accepted definitions.
     
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    Terminological bias. Yes, words can frame one philosophical belief as 'wise and sensible!', while demeaning the competition. ..A common religious practice.

    But it is simpler, on the surface:

    Atheism: belief in no God
    Theism: belief in God

    Both still beliefs. Both still religious opinions, that can kill each other for those opinions.
     
  9. Salvador

    Salvador RF's Swedenborgian

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    1. God is undefined.

    2. Do you agree/disagree with the following: An omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, highly benevolent supernatural theistic deity does not possibly exist in a universe where children suffer.
     
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    If atheism is a religion then I want nothing to do with it.
     
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    1. Of course 'God' is undefined, and generic, to fit in the general 'theistic' descriptor (or 'religious', if you prefer).
    2. Beliefs about suffering are a deflection, and have no bearing on the possibility of 'God/no God'.

    Suffering is not the cause of God, nor proof of His nonexistence.
     
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    I've often wondered why religious folk, especially Christian Conservatives, are so keen on trying to equate atheism with religion. Do they (you) think that because we find your beliefs in all things supernatural to be silly, we should also find our own disbeliefs in all things supernatural to be silly?

    It's almost like they know their ideas are ridiculous and want need to drag us down to their level are (ir)rationality.
     
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    If what you say is true, you are calling me a liar when I say I am an atheist.

    Perhaps what you mean is that you do not share any religious beliefs with atheists.
     
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    A highly powerful, knowing, caring theistic being would indeed neither allow children to get rapped nor suffer from disease; hence, this suffering of children is indicative of the non-existence of said highly powerful, knowing, caring theistic being.

    If you disagree with this, then please explain why?
     
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    Hi ecco.. our paths cross again, it seems. ;)

    Not me. I want to embrace my fellow wanderers and seekers of truth on this lonely planet. We are in this together, and i am inclusive in seeing my atheist brethren as fellow human beings, groping alone in the dark, looking for answers for our existence.

    Maybe its all for naught, and we'll all die in a meaningless , godless universe, with no soul, no purpose, and no hope.

    But maybe there is a spark of Awareness.. a glimmer of sight in a world of blindness.

    We're all blind men groping for the elephant. Perhaps each of our perspectives will bring Enlightenment.
     
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    I consider atheism to be a positive belief.

    It is a belief in the knowledge that gods are the creations of man's imaginings. It is no different, in essence, then belief in the knowledge that Spiderman is the creation of a man's imaginings.
     
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    Now, now.. let's be civil and real, here. I implied nor said anything of the sort..
    You want me to delve into the Question of Suffering with a one liner? :)

    Shirley, you jest. ;)
     
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    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Is lack of belief in sirens and cyclops a mythology?

    Ciao

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    OK, where do I get my tax benefits?
     
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    columbus Conservative Catholic from Hell

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    It is, however, proof(compelling evidence) that the omnimax, benevolent, sentient being described by Abrahamic religion is irrational and logically incoherent.

    Doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
    Tom
     
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