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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Spartan, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Spartan

    Spartan Well-Known Member

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    I don't see that as being correct.

    "Elijah did not die; he was taken to heaven in a whirlwind as he rode in a chariot of fire (2 Kings 2:11). Arguing for a reincarnation (or a resurrection) of Elijah misses that point. If anything, the prophecy of the Elijah “to come” would have been viewed as Elijah’s physical return to earth from heaven. Second, the Bible is quite clear that John the Baptist is called “Elijah” because he came in the “spirit and power of Elijah” (Luke 1:17), not because he was Elijah in a literal sense. John the Baptist is the New Testament forerunner who points the way to the arrival of the Lord, just as Elijah filled that role in the Old Testament (and might again in the future—see Revelation 11). Third, Elijah himself appears with Moses at Jesus’ transfiguration after John the Baptist’s death. This would not have happened if Elijah had changed his identity into that of John (Matthew 17:11–12). Fourth, Mark 6:14–16 and 8:28 show that both the people and Herod distinguished between John the Baptist and Elijah. Finally, proof that this John the Baptist was not Elijah reincarnated comes from John himself. In the first chapter of John the Apostle’s gospel, John the Baptist identifies himself as the messenger of Isaiah 40:3, not as the Elijah of Malachi 3:1. John the Baptist even goes so far as to specifically deny that he was Elijah (John 1:19–23)."

    Was John the Baptist really Elijah reincarnated?
     
  2. Spartan

    Spartan Well-Known Member

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    That's lame. Science cannot "prove" OR DISPROVE a resurrection or a miracle. And for someone who claims 90% of the Bible is false, there must be something you can point to in the Gospels to make your case. Otherwise you've got no credibility in that section of the Bible. So where's your false Gospel examples?
     
  3. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    i think you'd be well advised to study Jewish history before you deny reincarnation
     
  4. Spartan

    Spartan Well-Known Member

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    We take it not only on faith but on lack of evidence.
    Sure there is. There's an abundance of evidence. Numerous individuals and events mentioned in the Bible have been confirmed in non-Biblical works.

    List of biblical figures identified in extra-biblical sources: List of biblical figures identified in extra-biblical sources - Wikipedia

    In addition, there's a great deal of historical evidence Jesus. You just have to do your homework. Recommended reading:

    "The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;
    "New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;
    "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler;
    "The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and
    "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr. Gary Habermas.
     
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    I never made any claims, so what is it again you as asking of me?

    And thank you for your admission that you are unable to provide any objective evidence that the Gospels are, indeed, true.
     
  6. Spartan

    Spartan Well-Known Member

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    I have.
     
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    Who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?
     
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  8. Spartan

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    Why do you make such sophomoric claims? You haven't done your homework. Recommended reading:

    "The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;
    "New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;
    "Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler;
    "The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and
    "The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr. Gary Habermas.
     
  9. SalixIncendium

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    Are these canned replies?

    Once again, I've made no claims.
     
  10. Fool

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    a man, personality, does only live once. the spirit returns to the one who gave/sent it.

    fyi, palingenesis, or paliggenesia, is used twice in bible. its the word in ancient times for metempsychosis; which was used before reincarnation. the word reincarnation in reference to a new embodiment was only coined in the mid 1850s.
     
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    Noah didn't exist, the exodus from Egypt didn't happen, not all the languages came from one place and time, Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden didn't exist, and according to Judaism the Devil doesn't exist either, and the rebellion never happened.
     
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  13. Jainarayan

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    Lack of evidence of reincarnation? How about lack of evidence of:
    • Jesus's resurrection.
    • Jesus's ascension to Heaven.
    • The parting of the Red Sea.
    • Noah's flood.
    • The existence of Satan.
    • The existence of your God.
    • The existence of Hell.
    • The existence of Jesus. Outside the gospels, where's the evidence he existed? There's no Roman or Greek record of him. The gospels and Josephus wrote about him 70-100 years later. How about I write about Jesse James?
    But you take those on faith.

    Even a broken clock is right twice a say.

    Not buying it.
     
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  14. Kapalika

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    It only "began" in it's current form with the Big Bang. If you looked at a couple of my other posts I mentioned that the physical Universe periodically unmanifests before manifesting again. It too, reincarnates, so to speak.

    Scientists don't know what happened before the big bang, and so can't say that nothing existed before then, and in fact many try to answer what came before it in cosmology.
     
  15. Spartan

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    You did make a claim -
    Let me just take one of those - the Exodus from Egypt.

    Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

    IBSS - Biblical Archaeology - Evidence of the Exodus from Egypt

    Enjoy!

    I'm also aware you could not demonstrate anything from the Gospels being shown to be fictitious.
     
  16. Kapalika

    Kapalika EDM dancing gaygirl mystic
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    No.

    Life could of emerged from nonlife in multiple locations seperated by millions of light years and billions of years throughout the Universe. We would expect this too, since if it has happened once i t's likely to of happened multiple times.
     
  17. Spartan

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    See my recommended reading list in Post #48
     
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    Consciousness might only be able to exist as embodied. There might not be any disembodied consciousness at any point. At the earliest point in our universe, the number of bodies with minds of consciousness in our universe was zero at which point there was no consciousness. Right? So then, consciousness could have emerged from the natural evolution of the body and mind. Right?
     
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  19. Jainarayan

    Jainarayan ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
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    Nah, "soul" is just a convenient word. I don't even think "Self" is fully correct. I don't know that there's a true translation for Ātman or Paramātman. Prabhupada uses "Supersoul", other translators use Self.
     
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    I did.
     
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