Receiving the Mark of the Beast.

[Desert Snake]

Various arguments, regarding, what the, Mark of the Beast , is. Now, this seems literal, at first, yet how literal is it? If one does not receive the Mark of the Beast, are they actually opposing the Forces that are referenced, in the scripture, or, are they just on neither side? It seems pretty specific, 'all those who receive the Mark of the Beast'. Does this mean, that this isn't those who don't have the Mark of the Beast, against everyone else, or, does it mean, the scripture opposition is only referring to those, who actually take, the Mark of the Beast?

 

[Desert Snake]

Revelation 16:2
Revelation 19:20

 

[Desert Snake]

Note that the Beast, is being referred to, as an actual entity, not an idea. And , He is worshipped. Now, if the Beast is worshipped, then this isn't some 'default position', it would seem, for all those who oppose the Beast, or don't consider it.
So, other verses to consider, does evryone worship the Beast, or is it a peripheal association.

 

[74x12]

Note that the Beast, is being referred to, as an actual entity, not an idea. And , He is worshipped. Now, if the Beast is worshipped, then this isn't some 'default position', it would seem, for all those who oppose the Beast, or don't consider it.
So, other verses to consider, does evryone worship the Beast, or is it a peripheal association.

Beasts in Daniel and Revelation are used to represent earthly governments. Specifically powerful empires. The worship of kings as gods is not unheard of in human history. In fact it was quite normal in ancient times. And we have an example of the worship of dictators in modern day North Korea. So the concept of government leaders being viewed as human "gods" is quite feasible.

Apparently the mark of the beast will be a sign of loyalty to the leader/government. Anyone refusing to take it will be viewed as rebels or traitors.

 

[Mindmaster]

Various arguments, regarding, what the, Mark of the Beast , is. Now, this seems literal, at first, yet how literal is it? If one does not receive the Mark of the Beast, are they actually opposing the Forces that are referenced, in the scripture, or, are they just on neither side? It seems pretty specific, 'all those who receive the Mark of the Beast'. Does this mean, that this isn't those who don't have the Mark of the Beast, against everyone else, or, does it mean, the scripture opposition is only referring to those, who actually take, the Mark of the Beast?

I think it means whatever you want it to by the way it's worded. It doesn't really make sense, IMHO, besides the obvious fantasy of that part of The Bible.

By what I understand -- the mark is simply a sign of someone who worships the Antichrist. Whether it is an actual mark, or just a symbolic one (like the followers of Christ) is not specified.

Anyway, it makes a cool song.

 

[Faithful Witness]

If we take a look at Revelation 14:6-12

There are three angels flying in midheaven...

First Angel: Has everlasting good news to declare. . . Announcing to every nation. . . Saying in a loud voice - “Fear god and give him glory, the hour of judgment has come.”

Second Angel: Babylon has fallen...

Third Angel: If anybody worships the beast or his image, and receives his mark. . .he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and the lamb. . .This is what sustains the holy ones.

When these things begin to take place, everybody will know what is taking place. It will be on every newspaper on the planet. It will be the biggest proclamation of the gospel that has ever taken place. So people can either follow the Bible and what it has to say, or they can scoff at it, follow their old ways and suffer the consequences.

 

[74x12]

If we take a look at Revelation 14:6-12

There are three angels flying in midheaven...

First Angel: Has everlasting good news to declare. . . Announcing to every nation. . . Saying in a loud voice - “Fear god and give him glory, the hour of judgment has come.”

Second Angel: Babylon has fallen...

Third Angel: If anybody worships the beast or his image, and receives his mark. . .he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and the lamb. . .This is what sustains the holy ones.

When these things begin to take place, everybody will know what is taking place. It will be on every newspaper on the planet. It will be the biggest proclamation of the gospel that has ever taken place. So people can either follow the Bible and what it has to say, or they can scoff at it, follow their old ways and suffer the consequences.

I think it will be very subtle and extremely deceptive. The wise will understand but no one else. (Daniel 12:10) That is why Revelation says "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast" ... etc.

 

[Faithful Witness]

The ones that are wise will be preaching the true Bible message, based on scripture and nothing else. They will know what the story is. - 2 Timothy 3:16.

A lot of people will be mislead by false prophets though, and those false prophets may even try and mislead the chosen ones. -Matthew 24:24.

Catholics are for instance believe in a lot of revelations outside scripture, things like messages received at Marian Apperitions, and visions and predictions from Saints and Mystics. These things will mislead a lot of people. -Revelation 16:14, 1 Timothy 4:1.

As an example, Jesus told his followers to pray, only to the Father, not to anybody else. He also told them not to be like other religions using meaningless repetition in their prayer. - Matthew 6:7,9.

If a woman appears in the sky claiming to be the Mother of Jesus, and is telling Catholics to pray 500 rosaries a day to the Immaculate Heart of Mary... that contradicts scripture and really only has the purpose of turning people away from God. - 2 Corinthians 11:14.

True Christians will be hated by all nations and put to death. -Matthew 24:9.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Various arguments, regarding, what the, Mark of the Beast , is. Now, this seems literal, at first, yet how literal is it? If one does not receive the Mark of the Beast, are they actually opposing the Forces that are referenced, in the scripture, or, are they just on neither side? It seems pretty specific, 'all those who receive the Mark of the Beast'. Does this mean, that this isn't those who don't have the Mark of the Beast, against everyone else, or, does it mean, the scripture opposition is only referring to those, who actually take, the Mark of the Beast?

You know God has given in the book of Revelation, What the mark of the beast is.
God also foretold in the book of Revelation who the beast is.

Revelation 6, Revelation 9, Revelation 17

 

[John D. Brey]

I think it will be very subtle and extremely deceptive. The wise will understand but no one else. (Daniel 12:10) That is why Revelation says "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast" ... etc.

Paul said it will be so great a deception that even the elect will be hard pressed to withstand it. And John is fairly clear, in a mystical way, what the deception is. Who can withstand the deception John lays out? . . It's too much, too crazy.




John

 

[Faithofchristian]

Paul said it will be so great a deception that even the elect will be hard pressed to withstand it. And John is fairly clear, in a mystical way, what the deception is. Who can withstand the deception John lays out? . . It's too much, too crazy.

John

Revelation 13:18---" Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six"

Upon reading this, people jump right over
( count the number of the beast)

So where in the book of Revelation, will give people the beast and his number 666 ?

But first a person would have to figure out who the beast is, then the number 666 will correspond to that beast.

It's all there within the pages on the book of Revelation.

Notice ( Here is wisdom, Let him that has understanding)

Now if a person has wisdom to understand, it won't be hard to figure out what the number of the beast is, in the book of Revelation.

God has given the number 666, to be found in the book of Revelation.

As to how many people may have read the book of Revelation and not realizing, that they read completely over the beast and his number 666 and not realizing it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Note that the Beast, is being referred to, as an actual entity, not an idea. And , He is worshipped. Now, if the Beast is worshipped, then this isn't some 'default position', it would seem, for all those who oppose the Beast, or don't consider it.
So, other verses to consider, does evryone worship the Beast, or is it a peripheal association.

There's two beasts being spoken of in the book of Revelation,
Now which is which.
There's the beast in Revelation 13 and there's the beast in Revelation 17
So who's the beast in Revelation 13 and who's the beast in Revelation 17 ?

If a person can figure out, who those beast are, Then the number 666 will correspond to that Beast.

It's all there as God has given in the book of Revelation.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Note that the Beast, is being referred to, as an actual entity, not an idea. And , He is worshipped. Now, if the Beast is worshipped, then this isn't some 'default position', it would seem, for all those who oppose the Beast, or don't consider it.
So, other verses to consider, does evryone worship the Beast, or is it a peripheal association.

There are two beasts being spoken of in the book of Revelation, So which is which ?

Who's the beast in Revelation 13 and who's the beast in Revelation 17 ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

The ones that are wise will be preaching the true Bible message, based on scripture and nothing else. They will know what the story is. - 2 Timothy 3:16.

A lot of people will be mislead by false prophets though, and those false prophets may even try and mislead the chosen ones. -Matthew 24:24.

Catholics are for instance believe in a lot of revelations outside scripture, things like messages received at Marian Apperitions, and visions and predictions from Saints and Mystics. These things will mislead a lot of people. -Revelation 16:14, 1 Timothy 4:1.

As an example, Jesus told his followers to pray, only to the Father, not to anybody else. He also told them not to be like other religions using meaningless repetition in their prayer. - Matthew 6:7,9.

If a woman appears in the sky claiming to be the Mother of Jesus, and is telling Catholics to pray 500 rosaries a day to the Immaculate Heart of Mary... that contradicts scripture and really only has the purpose of turning people away from God. - 2 Corinthians 11:14.

True Christians will be hated by all nations and put to death. -Matthew 24:9.

You got that right ( True Christians will be hated by all nations and put to death. -Matthew 24:9)
Now the question is, When does this all happened, that those Christians will be hated by all Nations and put to death ? )

But which Christians is Christ Jesus in reference to ?

Notice Christ Jesus did say in the book of Mark 13:9-12 --
9-- "But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

10 "And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death"

If a person is staying with the program, Christ Jesus does say when this all will happened.
Note also Christ Jesus saying ( and shall cause them to be put to death ) So who is this death, that Jesus is talking about ?
And where does this fit in the back of Revelation ?

What Christ Jesus said here in Mark 13, how does this fit into the book of Revelation ?

In Mark 13, Christ Jesus foretold what the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is.
And when it will take place and who can commit it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

If we take a look at Revelation 14:6-12

There are three angels flying in midheaven...

First Angel: Has everlasting good news to declare. . . Announcing to every nation. . . Saying in a loud voice - “Fear god and give him glory, the hour of judgment has come.”

Second Angel: Babylon has fallen...

Third Angel: If anybody worships the beast or his image, and receives his mark. . .he will be tormented with fire and brimstone before the holy angels and the lamb. . .This is what sustains the holy ones.

When these things begin to take place, everybody will know what is taking place. It will be on every newspaper on the planet. It will be the biggest proclamation of the gospel that has ever taken place. So people can either follow the Bible and what it has to say, or they can scoff at it, follow their old ways and suffer the consequences.

Notice Christ Jesus said in Matthew 24:14----"14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come"

So according to the book of Revelation when does this take place and how ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Beasts in Daniel and Revelation are used to represent earthly governments. Specifically powerful empires. The worship of kings as gods is not unheard of in human history. In fact it was quite normal in ancient times. And we have an example of the worship of dictators in modern day North Korea. So the concept of government leaders being viewed as human "gods" is quite feasible.

Apparently the mark of the beast will be a sign of loyalty to the leader/government. Anyone refusing to take it will be viewed as rebels or traitors.

If you had notice that in the book of Revelation there are two beasts being spoken of.

In Revelation 13 and Revelation 17.
So which beast is which
Only one of those beasts has the
Number 666 attached to it.

If a person reads Revelation 13:18, they will find only one beast has the number 666,
Attached to it.
Revelation 13:18---"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six"

Notice ( count the number of the beast)

Signifying there's only one beast, that will have the number 666 attached to it.

Now there's two beasts being spoken of in the book of Revelation, So which is which, that will have the number 666 attached to it?

 

[2ndpillar]

Various arguments, regarding, what the, Mark of the Beast , is. Now, this seems literal, at first, yet how literal is it? If one does not receive the Mark of the Beast, are they actually opposing the Forces that are referenced, in the scripture, or, are they just on neither side? It seems pretty specific, 'all those who receive the Mark of the Beast'. Does this mean, that this isn't those who don't have the Mark of the Beast, against everyone else, or, does it mean, the scripture opposition is only referring to those, who actually take, the Mark of the Beast?

The beast in question is the 7th head of the beast, who was the beast with two horns like a lamb. The 7th king/head of the beast of Revelation 17:9-11 is Constantine, and his two horns like a lamb are the shepherds he glorified by building basilicas for each. Those being basilicas of Peter and Paul. The dragon, who gave his authority to the beast, in this case was exemplified by Sol Invictus, the sun god of Constantine. By worshipping the sun god per Constantine's decree of 321 AD kind of puts the Roman church in the bull's eye, by worshipping on the day of the Sun, and keeping the commandments of Constantine, and his false prophet Paul, and his false gospel of grace/cross. The vision of Constantine from Sol Invictus, was to conquer under the sign of the cross. A basilica is a church in the sign of the cross. The false gospel of grace is known as the gospel of the cross. All being marks of the beast, stemming from the "dragon". It is the "many" who carry the mark of the beast. (Matthew 7:13).

 

[2ndpillar]

If you had notice that in the book of Revelation there are two beasts being spoken of.

In Revelation 13 and Revelation 17.
So which beast is which
Only one of those beasts has the
Number 666 attached to it.

If a person reads Revelation 13:18, they will find only one beast has the number 666,
Attached to it.
Revelation 13:18---"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six"

Notice ( count the number of the beast)

Signifying there's only one beast, that will have the number 666 attached to it.

Now there's two beasts being spoken of in the book of Revelation, So which is which, that will have the number 666 attached to it?

There are two descriptions of the same beast in Revelation 13 & 17, as there were multiple descriptions of the same beast in Daniel. The oldest version of the number of the beast with two horns like a lamb is 616, and is the number of a man, and that man is Constantine, the instituter of the Roman church.

All the described beasts are heads/kings of the beast who have and will again capture Jerusalem.

 

[Faithofchristian]

There are two descriptions of the same beast in Revelation 13 & 17, as there were multiple descriptions of the same beast in Daniel. The oldest version of the number of the beast with two horns like a lamb is 616, and is the number of a man, and that man is Constantine, the instituter of the Roman church.

All the described beasts are heads/kings of the beast who have and will again capture Jerusalem.

The beast in Revelation 13 is not the same beast in Revelation 17. Nice try, but try again.
As to how you come up with ( All the described beasts are heads/kings of the beast who have and will again capture Jerusalem)
You can't be serious.

 

[2ndpillar]

The ones that are wise will be preaching the true Bible message, based on scripture and nothing else. They will know what the story is. - 2 Timothy 3:16.

A lot of people will be mislead by false prophets though, and those false prophets may even try and mislead the chosen ones. -Matthew 24:24.

Catholics are for instance believe in a lot of revelations outside scripture, things like messages received at Marian Apperitions, and visions and predictions from Saints and Mystics. These things will mislead a lot of people. -Revelation 16:14, 1 Timothy 4:1.

As an example, Jesus told his followers to pray, only to the Father, not to anybody else. He also told them not to be like other religions using meaningless repetition in their prayer. - Matthew 6:7,9.

If a woman appears in the sky claiming to be the Mother of Jesus, and is telling Catholics to pray 500 rosaries a day to the Immaculate Heart of Mary... that contradicts scripture and really only has the purpose of turning people away from God. - 2 Corinthians 11:14.

True Christians will be hated by all nations and put to death. -Matthew 24:9.

Yeshua was talking to his disciples in Matthew 24:9, none of whom were "Christians". The main persecutor of the disciples was Rome, and the saints were killed by a coalition of the Roman church and the subsequent states of Rome. The principle unit used for the killing and persecution was the Inquisition department of the Church of Rome. The main false prophet was the Roman citizen Saul of Taurus. A true wolf (Genesis 49:27) dressed in sheep's clothing.