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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jimmy, May 1, 2021.

  1. ChristineM

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    I have to say other. What drove me from religion [christianity] is the people
     
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  3. Estro Felino

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    I will say 1) and 3).
    But mostly 3...because they still feel culturally attached (unconsciously surely) to the religion they were brought up with.
     
  4. crossfire

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    Politicizing the religion. There is a reason why I hold multiple religions, and that Pastafarianism is my political religion. ;)

    Sacred Clown traditions are the best ones to face down the political beast, imo.
     
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  5. SalixIncendium

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    1 and 3 apply to me with regard to Catholicism as I was raised to understand it. However, I would have been nice to know a Catholic mystic like @Vouthon in my formative years, as he has shown me an entirely different perspective on the religion.
     
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  6. Vinayaka

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    Other 1) deeper study proved it wasn't what it said it was
    2) A change in circumstance, like marrying into another faith
    3) People in it are toxic
    4) Church or organisation changes, and you can't go along
     
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  7. Windwalker

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    Hmmm.... not easy to pin down exactly. Number 1 would apply more to the teachings of the groups that adopted the teachings of the religion. To try to put that into words, I like what Ghandi said, "'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.'

    Had I been exposed to a more grounded, reasoned, and mystical understanding of the Christian religion, I might have been able to find the nutrients I needed to grow on my spiritual path I had begun. Instead it was more about being on the 'winning side' of good versus evil, correct beliefs vs. the heresies of everyone else but us, evangelizing everyone to convert them to the religion, and all that fledgling war on culture garbage of the Christian Right beginning in the early 80's. Yuk.

    Belief in God was not the problem. Belief in their teachings about God was. Finding my spiritual path through that bramble patch of self-righteous otherism, back to what I was hoping to find in the first place was a pretty lone path spanning decades.

    I like what @SalixIncendium had to say about encountering someone like @Vouthon back then. I think that would have probably been a better beginning. Instead, most whom I encountered were either clueless about the mystical, or mistook ecstatic experience as God affirming that they were the chosen ones in some ego-validation effort.

    But perhaps, all that was what needed to be for me. Who really knows. Growth and strength sometimes requires hard obstacles to overcome.
     
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  8. Jimmy

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    Unfortunately there’s people in all groups or non-groups that one would not get chummy with
     
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    Yeah there’s a lot of people in the world that people have a difficult time getting along with from all walks of life and beliefs or non-believes
     
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    my own spiritual path kind of blows everything else out of the water so there’s no connection
     
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    Unfortunately many people drive many people from many different things
     
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    I don’t recall Jesus or god ordering hitler
     
  13. ChristineM

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    True, but i feel some religion has the edge for intolerance of difference
     
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  14. Jimmy

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    Yeah there’s definitely some people who are fanatical and unhealthy to be around Not only in religion but everywhere else unfortunately
     
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    ... and generally speaking, have no clue about it, not realising their own toxicity.
     
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  16. Jimmy

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    No, most of them know. You don’t like them and they don’t like you.
     
  17. Windwalker

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    The individuals are one thing. If it's the current of the whole stream, that's another.
     
  18. ChristineM

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    I have rarely come across a non religious fanatic, politics as well as religion has a tendency to produce them. I have had the misfortune to encounter many religious people who are most definitely unhealthy to be around.

    Unfortunately there are far more religious people taking the fanaticism of their religious books to heart than there are non religious people.

    And as @Vinayaka said they "have no clue about it, not realising their own toxicity."
     
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  19. Jimmy

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    Good people outweigh bad
    Always have
     
  20. ChristineM

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    It only takes one bad apple to taint the barrel.
     
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