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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jimmy, May 1, 2021.

  1. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    Thank you :)
     
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  2. Jimmy

    Jimmy Well-Known Member

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    Yeah reality has a way of wakin one up
     
  3. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    The reality check is like getting a hammer smacked in your face :oops:
     
  4. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    It does. Not as comfortable either nor as satisfying, but there is a type of draw that reality offers that playing pretend simply cannot provide, and that is a solid footing and realizing ones place among something that defies even the imagination on its best day.
     
  5. Trailblazer

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    I never really left my religion, I just disassociated myself from it for a long time, almost 30 years. I would not say it was because of 1, 2, or 3, because I always retained belief in my religion and in God, I just fell away for personal reasons, as I was very busy in life with college and my career pursuits, and I also had many personal issues to resolve before I could feel worthy of calling myself a Baha'i.

    I am still not involved in my religion as far as attending any Baha'i activities or working with others in my Baha'i community , but I do post to other Baha'is on forums and I have a good Baha'i friend who I e-mail and post to on this forum. My husband of 36 years is also a Baha'i and has been for about 55 years.

    I tend to do my own thing but I would not say I follow my own spiritual path because I firmly believe that the spiritual path outlined by Baha'u'lah is the right path to tread. I just tend to walk alone because I am an introvert and because I am not enamored with organized religion and all their activities and practices.
     
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  6. stvdv

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    4: I leave a religious group if they impose their interpretation of the teaching on me OR if they show contempt otherwise by pretending that my belief is inferior and/or their belief is superior
     
  7. blü 2

    blü 2 Well-Known Member
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    At about age 14 I found no one actually knew what they were talking about, which rather let all the magic out of the proceedings.

    Later I worked out what magic is about, which both explained and confirmed.
     
  8. Rival

    Rival Ankh, Wedja, Seneb
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    It wasn't a religion and I wanted a religion.
     
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  9. Jimmy

    Jimmy Well-Known Member

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    Want is good
     
  10. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist You are safe

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    At the core, I wouldn't say it's based on hate. For me, I never believed. So going into and falling out of belief had no emotional affect on me. No hate, just irrelevant to how I live and see reality.

    I think many (not most...who knows) hate, I guess,their former religion's practitioners because of how They interpret and practice there doctrine. I'd assume based on RF there would only be a handful I can think of would not be christian regardless the people.

    My question/puzzlement is why can't people not believe just to not believe?

    Why does there need to be a fault (i.e. hate, ignorance, rejection, misunderstanding, etc) to come to their conclusion of disbelief?

    To me those justifications from believers help the person making them. They feel better than just not understanding something so obvious.

    However, what are they based on that it would be true?
     
  11. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    Ultimately, I left theism in general as I realized the reason I believed was its a comforting thing, and that's not a good enough reason.
     
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  12. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    Christianity I left as it was horrible for me. I was a Southern Baptist, on a path to become a pastor, I had a lot of inner turmoil, severe depression, I was tormented with dreams of going to hell, and things only kept getting worse. I wanted to die and prayed god would let it be. Getting educated outside of the highly insular world I was in started to crack my faith, as I learned so much of what I was taught was wrong. I turned to the Bible for guidance but the violence, genocide, rape, and other atrocities committed by god and those he ordered to commit them was another harsh blow to my faith. And my life kept getting worse.
    I still remember thinking to myself, making the choice between the god and church I had always known and what was up until then the only thing I really knew, amd putting that all behind me.
    Amd I found there is some truth to that idea of needing that religion and god for morality, because once I gave it up the uptight, prudish ways came to an abrupt end. I got into music like Pantera and White/Rob Zombie, started going to Ozzfest, started cussing, guilt free sexual thoughts and masturbation, and my personal library grew exponentially even as all the Christian stuff was discarded.
     
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  13. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    there was an obvious headnodding to anything offered by those in cloth

    blind faith

    not for me
     
  14. Clara Tea

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    They start by believing the bible.

    Then they assume that pastors (educated) know more about the bible than they do.

    Then they realize that pastors don't follow Jesus.

    For example, Reverend Robert Schuller only allowed rich parishioners, and his son was recently photographed with booze in one arm, a scantily clad blonde woman in the other arm, and his pants down with his penis hanging out in public.

    Another example is Reverend Jim Bakker and Tammy Fay Bakker, who stole donated money that should have helped starving Africans so that they could live in their mansion (in their lawyer's name).

    After being disillusioned by pastor after pastor, they abandon the religion because they realize that it is not the path to heaven, but the path to hell (making war, torture camps, etc.).
     
  15. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    4. Other
     
  16. Clara Tea

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    Have you considered marriage to a pastor who believes as you do?
     
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    If you take globally, most conversions happen from one theology to another. Studies show a lot of findings. Per Capita GDP is one of the major correlations to conversion. So is intermarriage. So is communism. Causation is a huge issue to consider seriously because of Hawthorne effect in research.
     
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    From one dream to another
     
  19. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

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    No.
     
  20. Mestemia

    Mestemia Advocatus Diaboli
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    Cool story.
    Now do Islam.
     
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