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Reality: What is it?
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Shadow Wolf
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Reality is what it is. The brain doesn't always get it right.
Reality is the world, but is not the same as what we perceive. For example, there are a great many things we do not perceive and a great many things that we perceive incorrectly (visual illusions, for example). Consciousness is one aspect of reality, but not all of reality.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Reality is what exists without our presence. Its independent of our interpretation of the world.
I posted this awhile back
Neither. It is necessarily a step beyond perceiver, perceived, and any tool of perception.
godnotgod
Thou art That
OK for now, but on the level of perception alone, that is reality for the perceiver, just as the dream is reality for the dreamer.
Most of us in the 'waking' state call this 'material' world 'reality', because we feel it, see it, hear it, taste it, and smell it. For most, that means reality.
So what do you have in mind for the step beyond perception?
godnotgod
Thou art That
If we misinterpret the world, and suffer the consequences, is the result reality? If we interpret it correctly, and enjoy the resulting benefits, is the result reality? In both cases, we are connected to the world via consciousness.
On the level of perception, reality is necessarily one step removed from the perceiver. The perceiver would consider his perception to be real.
I'm not "most of us."
Reality is like Brahman.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Heres another video about reaiity
JoshuaTree
Flowers are red?
Do not try and bend the spoon, that's impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...there is no spoon. Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Is there even a self, let alone one that bends? If you say there is a self, then who, or what, is it that knows there is a self?
godnotgod
Thou art That
One step removed? You mean that there is a separate perceiver of the perception, rather than simply the act of perception itself?
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
For intelligence to emerge in reality might speak to reality being progressive. Because of things like the discovery of mathematics and language, i suggest that life is inevitable. Logic has a power in existence. Who knows where intelligence will take us as we evolve. Perhaps reality has an opposite side to our own reality, where intelligence flourishes unhindered.
Intelligence begets intelligence. Amidst the raw chaos of nature, reality constantly adapts. Our universe is a stepping stone to greater progressions. I believe as our reality dies, something new and better will emerge. To progress from non living matter and energy, and become alive is no accident, though it appears so in some ways. Reality must have been intelligent in the past eternal. Brahman, or something like it must exist, and we are what it produces.
Intelligence begets intelligence. Amidst the raw chaos of nature, reality constantly adapts. Our universe is a stepping stone to greater progressions. I believe as our reality dies, something new and better will emerge. To progress from non living matter and energy, and become alive is no accident, though it appears so in some ways. Reality must have been intelligent in the past eternal. Brahman, or something like it must exist, and we are what it produces.
Only if you imagine that reality has something to do with perception.
JoshuaTree
Flowers are red?
Surrender you self, God is in control.
That's a lovely superstition.
godnotgod
Thou art That
If God is in control, how can I surrender my self? But even if I could, who is it that is surrendering if not the self?
I realised that when we talk of 'consciousness with which we perceive', most people immediately assume that we are talking of electro chemical reactions taking place in brain, since that is the default thought: electro chemical reactions taking place in brain is consciousness through which we perceive things, including the self.
For me consciousness is that which enables knowledge of all things that are directly perceived or known through reports. 'Self' and electrochemical reactions in brain are such known things.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Reality is the world. Perception is an illusion of a non-dual ontological image of the world. Perception is not a necessity. The non-dual image is not a necessity.