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Real meaning of Messiah

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Magus, Sep 24, 2017.

  1. Magus

    Magus Active Member

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    Phenomena occurs with the letter M at the front of words , for example Mars and Ares are linguistically the same, but are cognate with Hebrew מְרִי ( MRI ) but it's the same רִיב (RIB) ' Revolt Rebel ' . Using that Logic with the word Messiah , then מָשִׁיחַ would be שִׂיחַ meaning ' Mediator, reflection, Sing and musing ' and the word 'Muse ' means 'to ponder, to seek or wonder ' , from Gk 'Mousa meaning 'Music or Song' , also cognate with the word Music, the PIE is *Ais- ' to wish, to desire ' thus the words 'Seek and Ask.

    The word שִׂיחָה in the Septuagint is rendered μού ( Mou ) and μοῦσ᾽ (Mous ) means Music
    , also written μουσικός ( Mousikos ) , sounds awfully like Mashiyach

    The Arabic word for Music 'mūsīqā' ultimately from Ancient Greek μουσική (mousikḗ).

    Psalms 119:97
    MEM. O how love I thy law! it is my meditation(שִׂיחָה) all the day.
    שִׂיחַ

    Letters interchange, ' SIH - SDH - SDK - SDI - SIK - STK - STS - ZDK

    שִׁדָּה * shiddah = Musical Instrument (Ecclesiastes 2:8 )
    מַשָּׂא * Massa = Music ( 1 Ch 15:22)
    Μοῦσαι * Mousai ' Muses

    Mediation and Metronome are also related to these words,

    מִדּה * Middah - Measure
    מְשׂוּרָה * Mesurah ( sounds like the word Measure )
    שׁוּר * Shuwr - Sing ( Ezekiel 27:25)
    שִׁיר * Shiyr - Song
    Σειρήν * Sirens - Singers in Gk mythology.
    שׁוּר (Shuwr) is used in Isaiah 57:9 to mean ' Anoint oneself '

    1Sa 16:13
    Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren

    קֶרֶן (Qeren) - Horn , but also 'musical instrument' and in Greek, κέρας (Keras ), Horn, but also musical instrument'

    1 Kings 1:39
    Zadok the priest took an horn of oil(Shemen) out of the tabernacle, and anointed (mashach) Solomon and they blew the trumpet

    συμφωνία
    Sym(ph)onia > Symonia > שֶׁמֶן (Shemen )
    * Very common between Greek and Hebrew

    1 Kings 1:39
    Zadok the priest took the horn of Music out of the tabernacle they muse Solomon by blowing the trumpet

    1 Samuel 16:13
    Then Samuel took the horn of Music , and mused him in the midst of his brethren

    κέρας > Christ = Music of the Horn'

    Gospel of Philip
    "Messiah" has two meanings, both "the Christ" and "the measured (mused) ".
    The Gospel of Philip -- The Nag Hammadi Library
     
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    OK, this is the last one because frankly for someone who can't even read Hebrew to try to teach others about Hebrew etymology is already absurd.

    The word messiah - משיח mashi'aḥ comes from the root משח mshḥ (that is m∫ḥ). This root means 'anointed'. Anointing with oils was done to elevate a person to a position of importance and by extension came to indicate that elevation, even when actual anointing wasn't done.

    The word שיחה siḥah comes from the root siḥ. This root actually has two apparently unrelated meanings: inner speech and flora. As the noun in the case cited it means the inner dialogue you have with yourself.

    (It shouldn't be too surprising that a root can have more than one meaning as roots can only have three letters. With 24 letters to form them from, that's only 2,600 possibilities. Compare that to the over 170k words in the English dictionary)

    The root siḥ is unrelated to the root mshḥ (m∫ḥ) just like the word 'and' is unrelated to the word 'pad'. The same with all the rest.

    Hebrew words are based on three letter roots. All the Hebrew words in the whole world, barring those that were taken from other languages. They all come from three letter roots. Then using Hebrew grammatical rules, the root is built on to form other words that relates to that principle three letter root.

    You can't take a word that has already been modified and say that it sounds like a word in another language to prove a similar origin, because the Hebrew word does not stand on its own, it's based on the root. You have to find the root of the word and if you like, find the origin for it in another language. Because that's where all the words sharing that root come from. Unless you start from the root, everything else you say isn't worth the data you're wasting on this site.

    I'm no expert in Greek, but it seems like Greek words are based on roots as well. So when you take the Greek word 'symphonia', it appears to be a compound word from 'syn' meaning together and 'phone' meaning voice or sound. Neither syn nor phone appear to be related to the Hebrew shemen - oil.

    So we see that this is a problem you have with Greek as well.
     
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    The Masoretic Text dates at a minimum , the 9th century CE , It is a translation of a translation, back and forward between Hebrew and Greek.

    Greek-Phoenician-Latin share an alphabet , Phoenician is the language of the merchants, the words are compressed down, to fit on tablets, long words, more tablets and thus more weight to bare on their ships.

    First DNA from ancient Phoenician shows European ancestry | Daily Mail Online

    First DNA from ancient Phoenician shows European ancestry, therefore Hebrew is a European Language.
     
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    I noticed in the Septuagint that Amram is written Αμβραμ
    that is AMBRAM , so where did that extra B come from.

    Αμβραμ (Ambram)
    Αβραμ ( Abram)

    Samson in the Septuagint is written Σαμψων ( Sampson )thus evidence of consonants being dropped. See words ending in וֹן / ων , you know it's Greek.

    This is then explained

    Sym(ph)onia > Symonia > שֶׁמֶן (Shemen
     
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    Samson son of Manoah
    Shem son of Noah

    Manoah > Noah
    מָנוֹחַ ( Μανωε ) > נֹחַ (Νωε )
    From Greek μένου ( Menou )
    μένω - Wiktionary


    Judges 14:1
    Timnath from Gk τεμένη ( Temenos) ' Sacred Land'
    Judges 13:25 ( Vineyard)
    Eshtaol from Gk σταφυλή ( Staphyle ) ' bunch of grapes '

    Heaven
    σημεῖον ( Shmeion ) > שְׁמַיִן (Shamayin) > שָׁמַיִם (Shamayim)

    The Hebrew word for Heaven is cognate with the Japanese worn ZEN

    Zen (n.)
    school of Mahayana Buddhism, 1727, from Japanese, from Chinese ch'an, ultimately from Sanskrit dhyana "thought, meditation," from PIE root *dheie- "to see, look" (source also of Greek sema "sign, mark, token").

    Greek Word Study Tool
     
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    Jer 51:27
    Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her
    kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashchenaz; appoint a captain against her; cause the horses to come up as the rough caterpillers.

    Only two places are actually mentioned here, Minni does not appear in the Septuagint
    and does not occur anywhere else, else it is מִנִּית ( Minnith ) the place of Vineyards ( Judges 11:33)
    or מָנַחַת ( Manahath) ' Rest ' , as in the name Noah .

    אַשְׁכְּנַז ( Ashkenaz ) means Flaming Phoenix, another word for Phoenician.

    Jeremiah 51:27
    Set ye up a standard ' σημεῖον ( Shmeion )

    Isa 18:3 - He lifteth up a standard on the mountains; and when he bloweth a trumpet
    Isa 13:2 - Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain,
    Jer 4:6 - Set up the standard toward Zion

    Jeremiah 51:27 (Septuagint version )
    Lift up a standard in the land, sound the trumpet among the nations, consecrate the nations against her, raise up kings against her by me, and [that] for the people of Achanaz; set against her engines of war; bring up against her horses as a multitude of locusts.

    Numbers 33:39 - Aaron was an hundred and twenty and three years old when he died in Mount Hor
    הֹר הָהָֽר > Ωρὄρος > אֲרָרָט > Αραρατ > Ararat

    Mount Ararat
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    The Epic of Gilgamesh mentions that Mount Hermon split after Gilgamesh kills Humbaba, the Guardian of the Cedar Forest. One translation of Tablet V states, "The ground split open with the heels of their feet, as they whirled around in circles Mt. Hermon and Lebanon split. This is the Mountain of the Gilgamesh flood story.

    Tablet V states ' Ground split open with the heels of their feet '
    Genesis 3:15 ' thou shalt bruise his heel.
    Genesis 25:26 ' Esau' heel
     
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    Horn is a Musical instruments , or is it an instrument of pouring oil upon the head, or pour music into the mind , so through layers of translations, easily confused and misinterpreted.

    Therefore 'Christ' would be cognate with κέρας /קֶרֶן ' The Instrument ' Jesus Christ = ' The Instrument of Peace ' or 'Instrument of Healing ' Christians = 'Instruments '

    The current understanding is that ' Jesus Christ literally means 'Jesus Oiled' or 'Jesus the Grease '

    This is a depiction of Jesus Grease
    [​IMG]
     
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