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Read it and weep - 2016 Republican platform.

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by fantome profane, Jul 21, 2016.

  1. Shadow Wolf

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    You forgot to include the agenda of merging the Conservative Church with the state.
     
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    Maybe I'm being silly, but I just don't see that happening with Trump.
     
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    Like the Hildebeast would be much different.
     
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    As has been pointed out, this isn't just applicable to Trump. This is the Republican Party, not just the president.
     
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    It should be made clear that it is not the final platform. It is an early release for public and peer review. :D
     
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    At least democrats put forth middle class policies. Never vote republican establishment. The main problem are republicans in congress.
     
  7. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein I'm not deaf, I'm just a real bad listener
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    No, it is the final platform. That's what you're going to vote for. Have fun with that.

    https://www.gop.com/the-2016-republican-party-platform/
     
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    There really isn't anything too different between that and that last one. Anyway, it does say DRAFT. Anyway, the Demorats will destroy this country if left to their own machinations. I live in a state which is basically blue to the core and compared to Indiana (our red neighbor) we have a ton more problems. People are actually fleeing Illinois to live in Indiana.
     
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  9. fantome profane

    fantome profane Keep safe, and keep your neighbours safe.
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    It also says "FINAL"
     
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    And Trump will swing right, socially, when it suits him. He doesn't have an actual ideology. He's an opportunist, like far-right populists tend to be. He kind of tests the waters at first with his rhetoric. If he can get away with it, he'll hold to what he said. But if it's viewed as too moderate or "liberal" by the Party's base, then he changes his position to make it more hardline or be disingenuous about it, pretending that it was his stance all along.
    I don't care what comforting lies you want to tell yourself. That's the final draft. That's the final version they've adopted. That's what you're going to vote for - anti-science, pro-religious brainwashing in schools, anti-LGBT, anti-woman, xenophobic, far-right authoritarianism. Hope you can live with that.
     
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    So can I assume these people have not been told they must yield their civil rights and liberties to the Church, and are ok with low-tech jobs if they aren't moving to a bigger city like Indianapolis or Fort Wayne (most Indiana college grads move out of state to find suitable employment)?
     
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    I guess it's better than voting for those who support domestic terrorists, brainwashing, and government oversight of every single facet of our lives. :D Besides, a lot of what you said is false, but you know that. I prefer that our government is beholden to the citizens rather than Saudi Arabia.
     
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    Localized situation. Anyway, what "one" Church are you referring to? Republicans are probably predominately Christian (but so are the Democrats), but other than that support direct religious freedom. Perhaps you are confusing "American values" for religious values. Sometimes they are the same, but sometimes they are different. The Republican party supports "American Values" regardless of the religions they are in. Democrats are not for civil rights, and never have been. If you think they are you haven't read history -- they are about government control of everything down to how you should think.
     
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    Nothing I said is false. And you must be confused, because the Republican Party is authoritarian, and Trump is the fruition of that impulse. Trump is not a libertarian! He's a throwback to the '30s, to Mussolini. He wants mass surveillance, he wants extremely strict border controls, he wants to deny a vast swath of people the rights they are entitled to, he thinks women should be punished for having an abortion, he encourages violence against those who dissent, he promotes himself as a savior figure promising national renewal (which is intrinsic to fascist movements) by promising to do things which are far beyond the scope of the presidency unless he becomes a full-blown dictator, he promises very strict "law and order" to make America "safe", praises and respects dictators for their brutal use of force and violence to get what they want, wants to greatly ramp up our military by throwing billions more at it and doesn't see nuclear war as a bad idea, is a pathological narcissist, misogynist and bully, cannot handle criticism, does not cooperate, etc.

    The man is a dictator in the making and his movement is neo-fascist. That's just the facts. Like I said, I don't care what pretty lies you wish to tell yourself as a salve for your conscience, but they don't work with me. "Libertarians" who are voting for Trump are lying to themselves or maybe they just have a fetish for the label but have abandoned its principles, because you cannot honestly call yourself a libertarian while supporting fascism. At the end of the day, Trump's supporters - the ones who are normally more libertarian in their leanings or who even usually vote Democrat, but are heavily in denial and harboring a mind-bending case of cognitive dissonance (i.e. not Trump's "true believers" who are full-blown fascists and white supremacists) - simply hate Hillary so much so that they are willing to destroy the country (and other countries and our future) out of childish spite and cynical nihilism. That's all it is - hatred and a phobia, not any principled stance. That's why the RNC was simply a four day long hatefest, a Two Minutes Hate dragged out.
     
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    The Republican party here, lead by Mike Pence, said it's ok to discriminate against people as long as they do it on the basis of "sincerely held religious beliefs." Of course most Democrats are Christian (most Americans are), but they aren't the ones saying "I believe the Bible says this, so legally, I won't let you do this, or let you, depending on what you believe. Non-believers who live like we don't approve of be damned." The Dems haven't told me how to think, but the Reps have tried to tell me my love and my identity are wrong and unfit for legal recognition. They have denied me my civil rights and liberties for no other reason than a book of ancient superstitions that was written by people so repressive they felt having sex outside of marriage was something a woman should be killed over.
     
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    Pence is a little deep in the conservative pool for me, but I realize that uniformity of view is bad politics. It's better to have someone more centric (like Trump) tempered with Pence (who is extreme right). They will balance each other somewhere in the middle. Republicans these days aren't anti-LGBT just think marriage and civil unions aren't the same thing, and feel that marriage should be the man-woman thing. They have no problem with LGBT gaining the same rights through civil unions. There are plenty of anti-gay in the Democratic party as well via the Black Lives Matter/New Black Panthers and the various Muslim groups. The Christian right might not like LGBTQ, but they don't want them dead. They don't exactly gain the right to be the LGBT friendly party when they are courting groups that have extermination solutions for those people. Republicans these days keep it really simple -- American? Yes / No. If you answer Yes, they are for you. They don't have to agree with your preferences, identities, or whatever. That's not the point. the point is all people in our country deserve protections regardless.

    Is there discrimination against trans? Yes, and I don't think it is religiously motivated. Trans isn't mainstream even now, sure people talk about it but I sort of liken the exposure to what had been going on in the 80s. Sure, they're around and we know it, but society as a whole hasn't learned to accept it yet. Nothing anyone does, even the government is going to force that switch -- it is an acclimation thing. I really don't think the government has role when it is just an issue of society getting used to the idea. The government didn't get involved in regard to the gay people, society just changed and the government changed with it. Expect similar goings with the trans people, and have some patience in that regard. I'm not going to jump on-board with the doom purveyors. We will get used to the transgenders in due time, and it won't even be a problem. The leadership of the Republican party is even moving in this direction. My advice is give people a chance to come together before spewing flames on them and they will do the right thing. Forcing people to like you (or pretend to) isn't a solution either.
     
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    Trump may be a dictator in the making, but Obama is already there. Being a dictator is only bad if they aren't benevolent. :D I can't vote Democrat because they have decided their campaign platform is psychopathy. They are supporting groups that want to kill Americans, police, and are racist against white people. I don't support any of that, and they can stuff it. I don't agree with everything the Republicans (or any other) party say, but at least they make sense. The Democrats for the last eight years at least have managed to offend every sensibility I have. They can wrap their crazy town antics in whatever social justice cause they want, but I'm not stupid enough to accept the turd for anything more than it is even if they want to cover it with sugar and shoot rainbows out their asses.

    They've had eight years to make things better, and everything is worse. Time for a shakeup!
     
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    Yeah, I know you've gotten good at spewing Breitbart and Infowars propaganda, but I'm interested in logic, reason, facts and evidence, which your rhetorical droning is awfully short on. You've revealed quite enough about yourself as it is.
     
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    I'm everything you hate. A libertarian, bi, pro-cop, pro-Vet, and pro-American. I'll take that as a compliment. :D I question transgender issues. Of course, I question everything so that particular topic is insignificant as a focus. I have no ultimate disdain for transgenders, I just debate issues that I feel are complex in the social spectrum. In the end, I don't feel your opinion counts for much.

    Alex Jones is mostly for amusement, hard to take him too seriously. I like watching him get into fights with communists. Guilty pleasure, I know. MSM wished it was even half as interesting as either Breitbart or Alex Jones. MSM at the RNC was literally sitting off in little corners of the media area of the convention fabricating catchy buzzwords so they could all print the same story. It was funny as hell, they weren't even talking to anyone at the convention. I mostly read Drudge TBH, again still 1000x better than the MSM. The alt media is so much better.

    You don't even talk about your news sources and use google-fu, wikipedia, and left-wing propaganda sites in order to appear as though you have authority on something. I'm not the one posturing and posing for the forum, I'm just expressing my views.
     
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