1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured Raised right

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Power Stone, Jul 8, 2020.

  1. Power Stone

    Power Stone Unknown Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2019
    Messages:
    1,784
    Ratings:
    +484
    Do you think religion harms children? If I had to make an educated guess, if religion didn't exist, the same people who think homosexuality is wrong and oppose abortion would still be around. Religion doesn't create people who are for a certain behavior imo, so why would it create people who oppose certain behaviors?
     
    #1 Power Stone, Jul 8, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2020
    • Informative Informative x 1
  2. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2014
    Messages:
    27,140
    Ratings:
    +8,948
    By definition, religion (practice, beliefs, morals, rituals, etc) should make you more kind to others; ideally. All of the time, some groups promote their theology for the better and/or for the worse of other people and they don't see it. If what they say is true, then religion does harm people. If it is not, something about their religion they're just not getting and its doing more harm than good-consequently, people blame and try to address the religion but not the people who propagate it. The butter knife does nothing. If you don't change the person's attitude about other people, they can use any tool to their advantage and still get similar results than the tool you took away.

    But we can't change other people. It's hard enough changing ourselves. But generally, religion doesn't/shouldn't harm. If we all looked at religion and used it "while acknowledging" it is for our own and community's benefit and not anyone elses, we could save a load of wars, arguments, etc. It really goes beyond tradition and politics. It's the people.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  3. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    49,419
    Ratings:
    +20,915
    Religion:
    Love
    Religion that is presented as a structure to express love in all its forms as compassion, kindness and so forth is helpful.

    Religion that is presented in a way to evoke fear and hatred is harmful.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Winner Winner x 1
  4. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    64,020
    Ratings:
    +22,663
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    I really doubt it, because religion is what teaches that hatred towards homosexuals.
    And speaking for myself, Christianity left me severely depressed and suicidal. It was agreat detriment to my development into adulthood, and left me impaired in many ways.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  5. Power Stone

    Power Stone Unknown Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2019
    Messages:
    1,784
    Ratings:
    +484
    I think people teach that sort of hatred and I really do believe that they would still exist without religion. It's unfortunate that they would still exist. I wish they never did. I'm really sorry that happened to you in life. It's probably a good thing you got away from it then.
     
  6. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    64,020
    Ratings:
    +22,663
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    What would have taught them if it weren't for Biblical commands to execute homosexuals and them being condemned as abominations who's blood is on their hands?
     
  7. Power Stone

    Power Stone Unknown Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2019
    Messages:
    1,784
    Ratings:
    +484
    People would have taught that orally, if you will, but what's spoken is often written, so............

    For the sake of argument, if there were no books in the world that hatred would still remain, I do believe. Plus people would be angry that there were no books. haha

    Unfortunately there are 13 countries that still execute homosexuals which is beyond my understanding and I'm thoroughly disgusted with that.

    99% of the Bible I have put in the trash.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  8. Shadow Wolf

    Shadow Wolf Rival's Wife

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2005
    Messages:
    64,020
    Ratings:
    +22,663
    Religion:
    God is in the Rain
    Because of, thats right, religion.
     
  9. Power Stone

    Power Stone Unknown Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2019
    Messages:
    1,784
    Ratings:
    +484
    Well I think those people unfortunately are way off in there thoughts so if they didn't have religious texts my guess is they would still be way off in their thoughts. I don't really know why they do that. It's almost as if they're living 2000 years ago. They have an archaic mentality and I'm dumbfounded. I mean we're talking about people who cut hands off of thieves. Something's not right unfortunately. People who do these things are an abomination really.
     
    #9 Power Stone, Jul 8, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2020
  10. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    17,344
    Ratings:
    +9,470
    Religion:
    Atheist
    I wouldn't say 'it does'. But I would say 'it can'.

    Depends on the religion and the message.

    Think of it this way, there are very few people who suggest religion has absolutely zero effect. The difference is usually around the positive or negative impacts, etc. Religion can have some impact on people's behaviour.
     
  11. Power Stone

    Power Stone Unknown Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2019
    Messages:
    1,784
    Ratings:
    +484
    Well if 'it can' cause someone to do harm to themselves or others then I think the reason goes beyond religious text's unfortunately.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Power Stone

    Power Stone Unknown Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2019
    Messages:
    1,784
    Ratings:
    +484
    I think 2000 years ago a lot of people hated and we're disgusted by homosexuals so they wrote it that way. As to why they don't change it, I don't think it has anything to do with the saying in the Bible that "ye shall not add nor diminish unto the word". I think they don't change it today because it's like tampering with originality. It would be like changing parts of Moby Dick I guess. I think most Christians, metaphorically, put certain parts of the Bible in the trash, or at least this Christian does.
     
  13. PureX

    PureX Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2006
    Messages:
    14,652
    Ratings:
    +6,204
    Religion:
    Philosophical Taoist/Christian
    Religion doesn't teach bigotry; that's an innate human (ego) response. But it too often does ratify and encourage it when it is supposed to be doing the opposite.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  14. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Sākṣī
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,354
    Ratings:
    +12,390
    Religion:
    Advaita Vedanta
    Religion doesn't harm children. People who indoctrinate children into their personal beliefs and views harm children.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  15. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    17,344
    Ratings:
    +9,470
    Religion:
    Atheist
    You have to understand, I'm not suggesting any religion could cause someone to do something extreme.

    But a child born to the Children of God (as a more extreme example) can definitely be caused to do harm by religious beliefs.

    To draw a similar parallel, do political beliefs cause people to do harm? Meh...maybe not usually, but they can, and have, and will.
     
  16. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    17,344
    Ratings:
    +9,470
    Religion:
    Atheist
    I don't understand the distinction. Do you think a religious behaviour is universally a 'good' behaviour? Why?
    It seems as forced as thinking a religious behaviour is 'bad'.
     
  17. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium Sākṣī
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2016
    Messages:
    9,354
    Ratings:
    +12,390
    Religion:
    Advaita Vedanta
    Such generalities are rarely true, however, if you are discussing behavior, we are getting back to the 'people' portion of my response.

    Religion, in and of itself, is neither 'good' nor 'bad.' It is the one's interpretation of the religion and one's behavior based upon said interpretation that adds such qualities.
     
  18. lewisnotmiller

    lewisnotmiller Grand Hat
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2013
    Messages:
    17,344
    Ratings:
    +9,470
    Religion:
    Atheist
    I completely and fundamentally disagree. A religious commandment to treat others as you would be treated is 'good' to my mind. People can then choose to follow it or not, and ultimately we are all responsible for our own actions. But the religious commandment itself is trying to influence the behaviour of it's adherents, clearly. That is the very reason for it's existence.

    Religions are man-made (in my opinion). So, ultimately it's all just 'man's interpretation'. But when these interpretations are codified and ritualised it moves from mere belief to 'religion', and religion impacts on how people behave.

    If you want to argue that a lot of religious practise and ritual has no impact on how people behave on a daily basis, I would hesitate to argue. But I would definitely argue that SOME religious practise and ritual has SOME impact.

    My mother taught me right from wrong, etc. I'm a man, and ultimately everything I do is my responsibility. But her lessons had some impact. Religion in some cases is no different.
     
  19. dybmh

    dybmh Terminal Optimist
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2019
    Messages:
    7,376
    Ratings:
    +4,676
    Religion:
    Judaism
    Super big questions, PS....

    "Do you think religion harms children?"
    • Blind faith, yes harmful.
    • Distrust of Science, yes harmful.
    • Shame of the human body, yes harmful.
    • Discouraging critical thinking skills, yes harmful
    • Calvinist Predestination / Caste system, yes harmful
    • Encouraging War as the appropriate means to settle territorial conflict, yes harmful
    I could go on, and on, and on.... It really comes down to the parents. IF the parents are able to mitigate these risks then, no, religion does not harm children.

    "if religion didn't exist, the same people who think homosexuality is wrong and oppose abortion would still be around."

    Really, why? Because of procreation? Gay sex would be like, what? a form of birth control... IDK, I'm just thinking outside the box.

    "Religion doesn't create people who are for a certain behavior imo, so why would it create people who oppose certain behaviors?"

    Well. I can't say for sure, I wasn't there when the Law was given to Moses. But, if you believe the story, certain families had certain jobs to do. But one thing that all the families were told to do was, Gen 1:28. Be fruitful and multiply. So, if you can put yourself in that scene. Approx. 1500BCE, in the desert, you had just witnessed the plagues, the parting of the red sea... it was an awesome devastating time to be alive.

    Now, doesn't it make sense in that scene that G-d would know best **how** to be fruitful and multiply? And therefore if G-d, the one responsible for all those plagues and miracles tells you... in no uncertain terms ... "Hey you boys... 'Tab A' goes into 'Slot B', no exceptions"... that the people would listen and take heed?

    Remember Gen 1:28, arguably the very first commandment given, be fruitful, multiply. Than means.... PowerStone, no birth control. Birth control is a violation of Gen 1:28. So, it's not really just anti-homosexuality. it's..... drum roll.... Pro-creation. I repeat, not anti-homosexual, it is Pro-Creation.

    Does that help? :D

    ( disclaimer all of this is offered through the lens of Left Wing Modern Orthodox Judaism )
     
  20. Mock Turtle

    Mock Turtle Asinine, socialist-leaning, puerile filth
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2018
    Messages:
    6,009
    Ratings:
    +2,671
    Religion:
    The one I was born with; therefore being none.
    Instead of 'Raised right' you might like to think of 'Allowed to grow naturally', and where the influences that enter or control their lives might very well be those that diminish or restrict them as individuals - and possibly based upon where they were born. Why would anyone want to restrict the development of their children, especially when any belief might come from some disputed text from long ago?

    Homosexuality has been seen in a variety of ways in the past, and often accepted without condemnation. It seems that for some religions it is an issue for whatever reason, and one can hardly dismiss this when you will come across (even on this forum) people saying, 'according to my religion, homosexuality is whatever (bad thing)'.
     
Loading...