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Featured Racial GUILT!

Discussion in 'Seekers Circle' started by Ellen Brown, Aug 14, 2019 at 11:10 PM.

  1. Ellen Brown

    Ellen Brown Well-Known Member
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    I was raised in a backwared, hickish, racist family in the early 50s. I heard things about Chinks, Redskins, Wet Backs and Blacks that now days humiliate me. They were all for keeping the Japanese pinned up. Somehow, when Wernher Von Braun started making Rockets, the Germans escaped all that.

    I knew it was wrong and when I left home, I vowed to do better, much better.

    Seven decades after all that, I'm still working on that lofty goal. Today I stood on a balcony looking down at a group of African Americans picnicking, and faced the shame that I have to keep working on it. I'm very ashamed. I've been to Kenya as a Missionary and they were sweet, loving and kind. I never had any issue with blacks while I was an observant Muslim for 9 years. They were sweet, loving, protective of me.

    Romans 7:24-25 King James Version (KJV)
    24 O wretched man (woman) that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    I don't struggle with the other races.

    Despite the fact that I am half Cherokee, sometimes Native Americans don't like me.

    How is it possible to please God in this state?
     
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  2. Geoff-Allen

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    Greetings!

    I can relate to your story somewhat so congrats on trying to fre yourself from judgement & prejudice.

    I don't really have any idea of what would please God but I think you sound to me to be on the right path. Pracrtice makes perfect. Some people are very narrow-minded and I haven't a clue how to change that except by setting a good example.

    For what it is worth, I have found Neale Walsch's books eye-opening.

    Here are some of his thoughts about love -

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    If that has aroused your curiosity - try this site -

    Neale Donald Walsch Quotes To Live By

    Wising you all the best on your path!

    Namaste
     
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  3. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    Meh I felt guilty when I was young and naive. But the thing is, I realized I have nothing to feel guilty for. People are not guilty for the sins of their ancestors. Unless of course those people take part in what their ancestors did.

    I've never owned a slave, neither has anyone in my family all the way back to the 1800's when they migrated here from Ireland. I also have Cherokee in my blood. My Grandmother on my Dads side was a half Cherokee. Though I don't go around claiming it because, well nobody would believe me just based on physical appearance alone.

    But yeah I've always treated people based on the content of their character and how they treat me, no other reasons (sex, skin color, religion, orientation, etc) factor in for me.

    Now if people say well you should feel guilty. Ok that's fine, but then its gonna get applied equally all around.

    Did you know it was an African American man that made slavery legal in the U.S.? Before then it wasn't legal or illegal. Anthony Johnson (colonist) - Wikipedia

    From the article.

    "This was the first instance of a judicial determination in the Thirteen Colonies holding that a person who had committed no crime could be held in servitude for life."

    After his case the supreme court ruled it legal for a slave owner to be able to automatically enslave children of his current slaves as soon as they were born.


    Should black folk feel guilty for that?

    What about the Africans that captured and enslaved their own kind then sold them as slaves to the rest of the world?

    Slavery in Africa - Wikipedia

    The African and Arab slave trade had been going on for several thousand years before the Europeans arrived. Matter of fact Native Africans are still enslaving their own people to this day. Forcing them to mine for diamonds and gold.

    Should black folk feel guilty about this? It was their own people that enslaved them to begin with.

    I don't think so.

    But if you expect white folk to feel guilty for 400 years of slavery, then you need to hold black folk and Arabic people responsible for the thousands of years of slavery they enforced.


    Now as far as Jim Crow goes. Yes I can see that. That happened within many of our lifetimes. So the folks born before the 70's go ahead and guilt away if you must. But I was born later, into a post civil rights era where I was told from the day I was born the great words of Martin Luther King Jr:

    "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

    Well Mr.King your dream has come true. At least for some of us.
     
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  4. SomeRandom

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    You became better. Nothing to feel guilty for.

    I’m mixed race. So there is a lot of baggage from both sides. Old wounds still haunt our lineage.
    When I was in school, it was like learning what my fathers ancestors (possibly) did to my mothers ancestors. When you are taught to never forget your ancestors, it can become awkward to let go of the past. I was guilty, lost and eventually became angry and, I realised, toxic.
    It’s not worth it in the end. If you have not done anything personally to intentionally hurt someone else for their race, then you should not sacrifice your mental well being just to carry the sins from the past.

    Let the past die.
     
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  5. Epic Beard Man

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    Nothing she said had anything to do with slavery
     
  6. Epic Beard Man

    Epic Beard Man Bearded Philosopher

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    @Ellen Brown your struggles are a lot more than the surface of the skin
     
  7. Road Less Traveled

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    I would stop trying to please ‘God.’

    If there is a good God, perhaps it would know where your heart is and understand.

    That guilty switch triggering on is faulty. It will flick on even when there is nothing to be or feel guilty about. It’ll keep making you feel guilty and ashamed to confuse you and bring you down when there is nothing to be guilty or ashamed of. Reels of past memory played on a loop. Tell those thoughts to screw right off. Do you think that a ‘good God’ would do this to you?
     
  8. wellwisher

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    The Democrats are the ones, who every election time, start up the racial guilt meme. The irony is the Democrat party owns the lion's share of the racial atrocities, which they have never fully atoned for. They still owe reparations for slavey. They were the party of slavery.

    The Civil War was fought because the Democrats wanted to form their own country where slavery remained legal. When this did not work out, they used both legal and intimidation methods to keep the blacks second class citizens. They still owe reparations for this 100 year reign of terror.

    What the Democrats are trying to do, is create a godless version of original sin. In the bible, original sin is where Adam and Eve, who are considered the parents of modern humans, sinned. Original sin resulted in everyone after them, being held responsible for their original sin, even if they had nothing to do with this original sin. This was in affect until Jesus.

    The godless Democrats are attempting an original sin scam. They are the Adam and Eve of the racial sins of America, and are trying to dilute their own sins, by passing it on to others, who had nothing to do with the original sins of the Democrats. They are a godless bunch who have no guilt or conscience. They are depending upon the good will and empathy for others to make this scam work.

    This godless original sin scam shows the innate racism of the Democrats. They do not rationally target the tangible bullies who were responsible, but they to spread out this guilt over a stereo type; entire race. This scam is designed to create division, since nobody, but the godless Democrats still enjoy racism. Most people, on both sides of the blame and guilt game, sense unfairness for being blamed or rewards for what they did not do. This will cause friction from which the Democrats will scam the blacks to stay in line and vote, Democrats. This has worked in the past.

    We need to break the cycle and learn to act like humans being with common sense, instead of herd animals who fall for the original sin scam; guilt and giveaways, used every election cycle. Martin Luther had a dream that people be judge by content of character. This godless original sin scam is not created by people of character. A person of character accepts responsibility for their own sins. However, they have few, since they can empathize and are proactive, so their conscience can be clean.
     
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  9. Stevicus

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    I think it's more a matter of taking account of your own individual actions, words, and attitudes. No one can be (or should be) held accountable for things done by someone else.

    I was raised in a somewhat similar situation, although my parents were probably a bit more progressive on this issue than my grandparents.
     
  10. shmogie

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    Why do you feel guilty ? Are you a racist ? Do you think you are responsible for the sins of others ?

    Apparently it isn´t your problem.

    There is no reason for your shame. When you deny that God can forgive you for whatever reason, is sinful in itself.

    You quoted Paul, but of course left out his answer to his own question.

    You are worried about pleasing God, but the most important thing you can do to please him is to accept your justification that HE offers through Christ, become born again and live a Christian life.

    You mention being a Muslim. I sense the influence of that system in your post. You CANNOT please God on your own, by yourself, it is a total impossibility. Without an intercessor, Christ, between you and God, you are lost.
     
  11. Enoch07

    Enoch07 It's all a sick freaking joke.
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    She was talking about Jim Crow era which I also talked about.
     
  12. Ellen Brown

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    What happened to me at the hands of Christians... No never again.
     
  13. shmogie

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    Well, you have free will, do as you choose. You WILL stand in the judgement and your decisions, every one ,will be judged,
     
  14. Ellen Brown

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    I don't contest that. Christians, knowing nothing about me, seem to think I was created to burn in hell.
     
  15. MikeDwight

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    This whole thing is a Muslim viewpoint, if you think about it. I'm just trying to pinpoint this. The Muslims chose a single caliphate, a single race, a single language, from the tip of Africa to the east end of Persia. There were no choosen nationalities. Then religious leaders never called upon the Frankish Race or the German Race or the Scottish Race. Jesus Christ chose to appear for the healing of the Nations. When the Apostle Paul appeared to the Kingdom of Macedon, this was Within the Roman Empire, or more importantly the Byzantine Empire in the Roman Empire that continued to focus on their Nationalities. Jesus Christ Will Not Be Respected by Anyone who does not want to note nationalities. He spoke to a Samarian woman as a Samarian, a Legionaire as a Roman, a Jew as the Chosen people from which comes Salvation, the Faithful Greek, and many think Simon the African crossbearer. Well I'm not going to expect blacks running up to me to recognize the Sam-il independence movement and for Koreans to run up chopping me on the neck to facebook about Martin Luther King Jr. Ahn Chang Ho wanted to meet powerful white imperialist americans with ships, not imitate the break up of the Western Power envisioned by MLK and Ghandi, but fanaticism is al over this movement, that Ahn Chang Ho and this pivota timeperiod has a submemorial at the MLK jr memorial. Totally opposed goal-seeking.
     
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    No reason to feel guilty. We have thoughts, angry thought, inappropriate thoughts, all sorts of thoughts. Having them doesn't matter. What counts is what we do with those thoughts and if we act on them or not.
     
  17. shmogie

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    You cannot judge Christianity by those who say they are Christians. You will be disappointed.

    Judge Christianity by the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.

    After all, it is your relationship with God that is critical, not your relationship with those who have disappointed you.

    Be a denomination of one.
     
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    If I may respond to multiple posts of generalities shmogie is waving around. Sure, a lonesome reading can be done. I'm not trying to convict and convert a Muslim. Its a whole society. Catholicism is a whole society. You have a full calendar of group activities. Are Protestants a "whole society". I'm not sure, those movements don't last a long time. They highlight private observance over the chanting and marching. Should there be Clergy who are far enlightened over the other professions, I'm not so sure about that! Calvin envisioned ever profession having and raising a song to the Lord. He envisioned from his time of Reformation bringing Heaven to this Earth, its a proactive Theology in Predestination, see its from the handicapped and emotionally unhealthy relationship with crawling along the Vatican stairs and forgiveness to saying God will have decided these things. There aren't a lot of translations from the French or good things said about it because it should be obvious from there.
     
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    You mention Calvin, in my mind in many ways a heretic. Predestination the way Calvin addresses it is a heinous doctrine.

    Luther knows that Christ taught, always, in terms of individual relationships. How we relate to our neighbor, or a stranger.

    Further, the concept of the priesthood of all believers makes the right of coming to God, and determining through the Spirit how to relate to Him of paramount importance,

    As I said, we stand in the judgement as individuals, and our record is examined.

    We do not stand as part of any group, any denomination. In addition, the goods or bads of a denomination are not imputed to us.

    We stand as an individual before our Creator.

    We cannot hide n a denomination, nor blame a denomination .
     
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    I can sort of see that. I am sympathetic with the idea that "all the hairs on your head are all numbered". I think there is totally a bit of Religion that is not covered in a community Church relationship. There is a direct relationship of Christ and the individual.

    I'm in Thomas Stonewall Jackson's denomination. I don't know if you've heard of it. Its sort of a self-inspired mix of predeterminism. In the Shorter Chatechism it says church can be missed for "Mercy and Necessity", which he often cited to do battle on the Lord's Day, Sunday. He doesn't have a Church he belongs to obviously, but I'm with him on the part about Mercy and Necessity, and also missing Church.
     
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