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Racial Discrimination Is (Still) a Thing!

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by SalixIncendium, Jun 28, 2019.

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  1. SalixIncendium

    SalixIncendium सच्चितानन्द
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    I recruit, hire, and place people based on skillset and talent. Not race. Not sexual orientation.

    I had a general manager turn in his notice today. I created a plan for my district based on skillset, talent, and people I thought would work well together.

    In creating this plan and presenting in to the director of operations, I failed to recognize skin color. When presenting it, my supervisor said, "I would never say this...but..." and pointing at a prospective team I'd assembled, I saw that I had place two black managers in a white neighborhood restaurant.

    I assembled a team that likes working with others, has complimentary skillsets, and would, as I see it, bring success to the restaurant. The fact that my DO, who is not a racist, felt the need to point this out, really enlightened me to the fact that racism is still a thing, whether I want it to be or not.

    How do we educate others that a sandwich tastes the same regardless of whether a black, white, or Hispanic person makes it, or whether a black, white, or Hispanic person supervises the team that makes it and serves them?
     
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  2. dybmh

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    Are you concerned about the reaction of the customers? Or is the DO the focus of your question?
     
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    While this consideration didn't initially influence my decision, yes, there is a legitimate concern over guest reaction based of venue.

    While the concern is alarming, I have seen a white guest in a white neighborhood point directly to a black employee saying, "I don't want him making my sandwich."

    To which I responded, "I hope you enjoy your lunch...elsewhere."
     
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  4. Landon Caeli

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    Wow. I can't believe someone would say that.
     
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    I have not been in this situation. So, it's just a guess.

    That said:

    I would go with your gut. Put the people in the teams where you think they will be most successful.

    1) I think they spend more time working together as a team than they do addressing petty racist customers
    2) By coincidence you placed 2 black managers in the same location, and they can support each other if and when some racist BS happens
    3) Black people are, in my experience, more than capable for dealing with racist people. Plenty of experience; sad but true,

    These are the reasons I would follow the plan, put people where they will be successful.

    But you asked about 'educating' people. When it comes to some racists, there is no educating them. So maybe don't even try? The other people who aren't completely hopeless, exposure to a couple of black managers may be helpful to at least plant the seed.
     
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    I'm actually surprised to know that that kind of racism is still alive and well. I don't see it where I'm from.

    I wonder if it's rare or strangely prevalent

    (Give the job to the one who does the job best. It seems our culture has done this. Look at the NBA and NFL).
     
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    And, that matters because of what?

    No, racism is not a thing it's just a thing for the liberals whom need to get people to hate each other for various reasons or think they automatically will. Your white neighborhood won't give a single **** unless people aren't doing their job.
     
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    Familiarity.

    Folks who aren't familiar with people of other races/cultures will be suspicious. Natural distrust of the unknown. Nothing wrong with most of them other than a lack of experience with folks outside their own race.

    Need team building stuff. Get folks together at a barbeque, on a softball team. Get them dependent and supportive of each other. Common goals, common experiences build relationships.

    Can't blame a person for their lack of experience. Got to put people on the same side. Which generally means best not to bring up religion or politics.
     
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    Should potentially offending hypothetical racists be considered a concern? Is worrying about the off-chance of losing a sandwich sale over skin color really worth it?
     
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    Good questions. Over the long run I would hope a restaurant with less racism than others (it is all but impossible to eliminate all racism) do better than a restaurant that fosters racism. Today people do notice racism when it raises its ugly head, and most do not seem to like it.
     
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    Think of it like smoking in restaurants. There was a great concern about laws that said you can't smoke indoors in public places. Owners of restaurants feared they would lose customers. The actuality was that the non-smokers came out to go there, whereas previously they avoided the stench that that drug addiction brought with it.

    I believe the same result will happen when bigotry is shunted into the stinky outskirts of town. Intelligent people will come into businesses more once the dummies get fed up and take their stink elsewhere. It becomes more appealing to the rest of us without the stupidity.
     
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    I would rather keep my integrity and accept the potential loss of racist customers. I can't see this being a significant threat to business unless the establishment was located in some backwater red state ****hole.
     
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    I agree. My point was that probably in the long run it will also be a more profitable route to take. And today even the so called backwater states appear to realize this.
     
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    If he 'felt the need to point this out,' then he's a racist. I wish that were not so, but....if HE is worried about black restaurant managers in a 'white neighborhood,' then he has problems in one of two areas: either he is worried about having black people serve white people (in which case his racism is directed at the black managers) or he has decided that the 'white folks' are ABSOLUTELY GOING to be nasty to the black managers, in which case his racism is directed at the white folks.

    Either way, how does he know what their reception would be? I am leaning towards 'racism towards the white folks,' assuming as he does that the black managers WILL BE subjected to racism from the customers. That's prejudice. Wait until they prove themselves to be what he fears before he assumes that they will.

    How about simply putting the best people you know in the job, and not assume that the customers don't already know this about sandwiches?

    .............and deal with any racism AFTER it happens?

    Personally, I would feel extremely resentful if some white idiot was so convinced that *I* was a racist that he worried about hiring a black manager for fear that I might get nasty. That's doing everybody a disservice; not just the black manager who might be losing out on a good job, or the company, but to ME and to the other customers who probably couldn't care less what color the restaurant manager is, as long as the food is good.
     
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    Actions always speak louder than words. Going ahead with the planned appointment of two African-American managers in a white neighbourhood is the most effective next step.
     
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    You don't live in conservative Christian Trumpistan.
    Trust me. Plenty of people around here in southern Indiana would say that.
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    You could try quoting Shakespeare when he says. "A rose by any other name still smells as sweet".
     
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    More like racial awareness than discrimination. I could see a DO raising his eyebrows at all white managers with an all black staff in a black neighborhood. Eyebrows raised but he might move on.
     
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    I really don't see a problem with putting competent black managers in a white neighborhood over a white crew. You'll probably get fewer problems than you might get if you put Vietnamese and Cambodians (or any other politically charged national/tribal combo) together in a boss/manager-employee relationship.
     
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    The whole premise from the supervisor is an assumption. He is assuming a whole lot about a neighborhood then isolating it and the managers due to a fiction in his head. Heck he is not even attempting to confront the problem he thinks exists but hides from it. Do you not think it would be better to discovery not only if the assumption is true but the indviduals that are using race to cause an issue for staff? You can ban those people from the business after all. Instead you might as well tell your supervisor to make another room for the darkies.....

    This is what happens when liberals have illiberal thoughts and confuse the two.

    Use your plan. Report the supervisor to his boss. Get promoted.
     
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