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Ra and Pharoah

Fool

Fool

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in ancient egypt there was the belief that Pharoah was Ra in human form. Much like christianity believes jesus was god in human form.

so might the egyptian experience in the OT by the israelites finally have lead to the eventual ideas jesus was conveying. Especially after his supposed experience in Egypt?
 
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The Hammer

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Fool said:
in ancient egypt there was the belief that Pharoah was Ra in human form. Much like christianity believes jesus was god in human form.

so might the egyptian experience in the OT by the israelites finally have lead to the eventual ideas jesus was conveying. Especially after his supposed experience in Egypt?
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Probably not. Different Culture and all that.
 
Rival

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se Dex me saut.
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Pharaoh was identified with Horu and with Osir. He was identified with Horu as the living Pharaoh who avenged his dead father, Osir, who lives in the Duat (realm of the dead) as Lord of the Westerners (the dead). When he died he was considered as a form of Osir, being, as it were, raised to life in the afterlife.

Edit, from wiki: The Pyramid Texts (c. 2400–2300 BCE) describe the nature of the pharaoh in different characters as both Horus and Osiris. The pharaoh as Horus in life became the pharaoh as Osiris in death, where he was united with the other gods. New incarnations of Horus succeeded the deceased pharaoh on earth in the form of new pharaohs. Horus - Wikipedia
 
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Harel13

Harel13

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Fool said:
in ancient egypt there was the belief that Pharoah was Ra in human form. Much like christianity believes jesus was god in human form.

so might the egyptian experience in the OT by the israelites finally have lead to the eventual ideas jesus was conveying. Especially after his supposed experience in Egypt?
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Rival said:
Pharaoh was identified with Horu and with Osir. He was identified with Horu as the living Pharaoh who avenged his dead father, Osir, who lives in the Duat (realm of the dead) as Lord of the Westerners (the dead). When he died he was considered as a form of Osir, being, as it were, raised to life in the afterlife.

Edit, from wiki: The Pyramid Texts (c. 2400–2300 BC) describe the nature of the pharaoh in different characters as both Horus and Osiris. The pharaoh as Horus in life became the pharaoh as Osiris in death, where he was united with the other gods. New incarnations of Horus succeeded the deceased pharaoh on earth in the form of new pharaohs. Horus - Wikipedia
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Either way (whichever god it was), I don't think it's quite the same. Each and every pharaoh was an incarnation whilst Jesus was a one-timer.
 
Rival

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Harel13 said:
Either way (whichever god it was), I don't think it's quite the same. Each and every pharaoh was an incarnation whilst Jesus was a one-timer.
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I agree. I would also argue that it is not made clear in the Christian texts (at least not from my reading) that Jesus is claiming, or that others claim for him, to be a god incarnation. The JWs understand him to be an angel, and as we know there are myriad other understandings. What I am certain of, though, is that this is not a Hebrew idea and is likely Hellenistic.
 
Fool

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Rival said:
Pharaoh was identified with Horu and with Osir. He was identified with Horu as the living Pharaoh who avenged his dead father, Osir, who lives in the Duat (realm of the dead) as Lord of the Westerners (the dead). When he died he was considered as a form of Osir, being, as it were, raised to life in the afterlife.

Edit, from wiki: The Pyramid Texts (c. 2400–2300 BC) describe the nature of the pharaoh in different characters as both Horus and Osiris. The pharaoh as Horus in life became the pharaoh as Osiris in death, where he was united with the other gods. New incarnations of Horus succeeded the deceased pharaoh on earth in the form of new pharaohs. Horus - Wikipedia
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so horus would have been like a ray of light? light being associated with the creative/generative spirit?
 
Rival

Rival

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Fool said:
so horus would have been like a ray of light? light being associated with the creative/generative spirit?
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Not really.

The Wedjat might be something vaguely similar.
 
Fool

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Harel13 said:
I see something about Jesus, Peter and lambs. Don't know about any allusions.
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the lamb is a symbol of christ. the word is used no where else in the NT; except in john 21:15 and in revelation to christ.


feed my christs
 
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Fool said:
in ancient egypt there was the belief that Pharoah was Ra in human form. Much like christianity believes jesus was god in human form.
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I think it would be god to notice, that is not Biblical teaching. Bible tells for example that Jesus is the image of God, not God in human form.

in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins; who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation...
Colossians 1:14
 
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