Quranic verses on killing infidels(non-Muslim)

[TJ73]

Well, it doesn't look that way to me. It looks to me like secular humanism is the best way of life, and it appears that all places which have adopted governments based on its principles have magnified the quality of life for its citizens infinitely.

Governments which have adopted this or that religion seem to have diminished their citizens' qualities of life and tend to be oppressive hellholes with very few civil liberties and harsh punishments for breaking silly taboos.

I think the reason this happens in countries that bases themselves on religion is because religion is used as a weapon. people that usually look to lead have a lust for power to some degree. They are easily corrupted and then, in turn sell their corrupted ideas to their people for personal gain.

 

[Autodidact]

All the things you mentioned brings temporary happiness and what Quran was telling was that Allah fills hearts of unbelievers with unease, spiritual discomfort and restlessness. Although they live surrounded by things which appeal to their desires but still there is no real pleasure in them. No matter how happy and content unbelievers may appear, this is generally deceptive and thats the truth

So you don't think love brings happiness?

I see, you know better than Meow or any of us whether we are truly happy. We can look happy, say we're happy, but you know better, and nothing we do or say can convince you otherwise. Basically, you've got a self-confirming, non-falsifiable belief system, impervious to reality. And you assume that everyone but you is lying.

Really not much point in us talking to you, is there, since you have decided in advance that we're all a bunch of liars who can't be trusted.

I feel so sorry for you. What an awful way to live.

 

[Autodidact]

My argument is this: because of the fact that some Muslim countries have beaten America at getting a woman head of state, and the fact that millions of Muslims live in harmony and peace with Americans and in other Western countries, the religion itself is not a problem at all.

It would, if they did. The problem is, they don't. Dutch police arrested 12 Somalis suspected of terrorism on Christmas Day. Counterterrorism experts in the Netherlands believe the suspects are linked to the Somali terrorist organization Al Shabaab, a group affiliated with al-Qaeda.

Meanwhile, on December 20, British police arrested 12 suspected Muslim terrorists in cities around the UK.

In Stockholm earlier this month, two bombs planted by Muslim terrorists injured several people, including the terrorist.

That's just this month, and just in Europe. Unfortunately, Muslims in Europe are not living in peace and harmony with their neighbors. A substantial number of them are trying to blow their neighbors up.

Not very appreciative of European hospitality, are they?

 

[Autodidact]

The main concept of Islam has always been a around, just wasn't called Islam until the Qur'an was sent to Prophet Muhammed(saw). Adam(cs), Jesus(cs) Abraham(cs), Moses(cs) (among many other Dear Prophets) preached one message, There is only ONE GOD,. Believe it or not, but that the Main Core of Islam.and now, For more then 1400 years, One Man's(Muhammad saw) message continues to be practiced till this very day, very hour, very second...There is No God, But tHe Only God(Allah), and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..

Therfore, unless you have first hand experiance with all of those abominable things you wrote, i dont think its necessary for you to point things out in which you don't have primary knowledge of... What you don't see with your eyes, don't witness with your mouth. ..

What? We should all ignore all current events we haven't observed ourselves? Why? To further ignorance?

I guess you're right, if you ignore what's actually going on in the world, it's possible to maintain a belief that Islam is peaceful. I don't think there's anyone though who doesn't know firsthand a victim of that RPM.

 

[Autodidact]

Wise words, indeed.

Yes. Don't listen to the news. Don't read the paper. And whatever you do, ignore all world events. Just stick your head in the sand and live your life and it's possible to imagine there is no global problem with Muslim terrorism.

 

[Autodidact]

This Perfect way of life is perfect on its own. You and I both know that people have history with corrupting peace. But its a matter of looking at the religion as what it is, not how this person or that person is living life by practicing that religion. Don't Judge a book by its cover. In this case, Muslims are the cover, and Islam is whats inside the book. ..Dig In deeper

But the religion as it is doesn't exist. So it's irrelevant. It doesn't exist. I agree, that (imaginary) religion is no problem. It's the real religion that's blowing people up, so let's talk about that one. The one that Muslims believe is Islam.

 

[Autodidact]

No need for persuasion, just passing on knowledge that I consumed. Is that such a bad Idea?
At the end of the day, I'm only trying to share knowledge that i think is useful to all those misconceptioners (<is that a word?:sarcastic) )

Have you passed it on to your fellow Muslims? They're the ones making all the trouble based on their misconceptions. The only way to correct our misconceptions is for them to stop their violent behavior.

 

[Autodidact]

A Muslim is a person who submits his will to Allah(swt)----there are no such things as 'Salafis'/'Wahabbis' in Islam

Better tell the Salafis and Wahabbis that--if you dare.

 

[dallas1125]

The Koran teaches killing infidels aggressively!

Pedestrian Infidel: Axis of Islam: Verses of Hate

Check it with this:

The Holy Qur'an - القرآن الكريم

See, this was what I was talking about.

LOL, Im assuming your christian based upon your name. Before you start bashing Islam, look at your own religion.:cover:

 

[Autodidact]

I will repeat again ,There is no such things as 'Ahmadiyyas'/ 'Salafis'/'Wahabbis' in Islam ,Quran and Hadis (which are above all authority) at many occasion clearly state that its forbidden to create sects---If some Muslims don't follow their scripture its there fault

-3:103 And hold fast, all together, unto the bond with God, and do not create sects amongst you.
-3:105 And be not like those who have drawn apart from one another and have taken to conflicting views after all evidence of the truth has come unto them: for these it is for whom tremendous suffering is in store
-6:159 VERILY, as for those who have broken the unity of their faith and have become sects - thou hast nothing to do with them. Behold, their case rests with God: and in time He will make them understand what they were doing.

etc

To be a Muslim doesn't mean to join any sect ,it means to submit your will to your lord by following the way of life given in Quran and Hadis

And that's why Shias and Sunnis never rfight, and never blow each other up.

I repeat: the most common victim of Muslim terrorism is another Muslim. Like those poor 40 Pakistanis who got blown up recently waiting in line for assistance from their supposed enemy. That's right; the infidels were trying to give them food, and a sister Muslim blew them up. Who is the enemy of Muslims?

 

[Autodidact]

you may be right, but i personally would just laugh and walk away if you said that about Muhammad or anyone, and so would any Muslim i know. i wish i could speak for the Muslims in Peshawar, etc., but i can't. all i can do is wish they'd chill out a bit.

please stop speaking for the majority of Muslims with statements like the bolded/enlarged. the 150 that keep making the news don't count, and i don't trust any dumb poll that seeks out extremists and asks if they support violence against "infidels". i know HUNDREDS of Muslims, and NOT ONE supports violence against innocents (really, anyone). generalizations suck.

I wouldn't dare try it. I'd be dead by nightfall, and you know it.

The pollsters don't "seek out extremists." They just ask Muslims. How can >70% be extremists, by definition?

And yet, Muslims kill innocents every day. How do you explain that?

 

[dallas1125]

I'm not sure what you are referring to here.

Bomb blasts in India which have allegedly been perpetrated by Hindu extremist organisations include 2006 Malegaon blasts, Mecca Masjid bombing (Hyderabad), Samjhauta Express bombings and the Ajmer Sharif Dargah Blast.

Christians and muslims have a long history of extremists. All we were saying is that Hindu's have a small amount of terrorism too.

 

[MuslimModesty]

Well, it doesn't look that way to me. It looks to me like secular humanism is the best way of life, and it appears that all places which have adopted governments based on its principles have magnified the quality of life for its citizens infinitely.

Governments which have adopted this or that religion seem to have diminished their citizens' qualities of life and tend to be oppressive hellholes with very few civil liberties and harsh punishments for breaking silly taboos.

Well if you were to look hard enough then you wouldn't have to be brain washed, don't just eat the icing of the cake, eat the actual cake.

The whole concept of Islam has always been targeted. Not just since the Prophet Muhammad(saw) was present, but way back when Jesus(cs) was hanged because of teaching the Jews the message that Allah(swt) brought down to him, There is No God, But the Only God(Allah). That is why non-Muslims like to point the worst of the worst of people, regardless of it being a false accusation.

And as for those governments that are trying to set out a an Islamic Government (Like that of the Prophet's and His companions time), They are trying to keep a hold on Islam and build a place where people who want to go to build their Iman (faith) want to come. Why do you think the Talibans do what they do? They are trying to keep Islam here for the future generation. If they don't, it will be there responsibility, as well as ours, on the Day of Judgment, When Allah(swt) asks us what we did with there Time.

 

[Thief]

Well if you were to look hard enough then you wouldn't have to be brain washed, don't just eat the icing of the cake, eat the actual cake.

The whole concept of Islam has always been targeted. Not just since the Prophet Muhammad(saw) was present, but way back when Jesus(cs) was hanged because of teaching the Jews the message that Allah(swt) brought down to him, There is No God, But the Only God(Allah). That is why non-Muslims like to point the worst of the worst of people, regardless of it being a false accusation.

And as for those governments that are trying to set out a an Islamic Government (Like that of the Prophet's and His companions time), They are trying to keep a hold on Islam and build a place where people who want to go to build their Iman (faith) want to come. Why do you think the Talibans do what they do? They are trying to keep Islam here for the future generation. If they don't, it will be there responsibility, as well as ours, on the Day of Judgment, When Allah(swt) asks us what we did with there Time.

Finally....here it is....judgment...

And what do you suppose the angels will do unto violent people?

Do unto others as you would have it done unto you.

It is fair warning...and the angels await.

 

[MuslimModesty]

What? We should all ignore all current events we haven't observed ourselves? Why? To further ignorance?

I guess you're right, if you ignore what's actually going on in the world, it's possible to maintain a belief that Islam is peaceful. I don't think there's anyone though who doesn't know firsthand a victim of that RPM.

Ignore? no..get the other side of the story? aahh yea... It takes a child to know that there is always, and i mean always, two sides of the story.

It is one thing to be ignorant about things, and another thing to be arrogant.

I,Myself know many people who go through things in life. When i hear things on the news, Its like i don't hear anything until i know the other side of the story. Trust me, you won't regret.

 

[MuslimModesty]

But the religion as it is doesn't exist. So it's irrelevant. It doesn't exist. I agree, that (imaginary) religion is no problem. It's the real religion that's blowing people up, so let's talk about that one. The one that Muslims believe is Islam.

You can continue to believe that Islam doesn't exist.
Would you tell someone that you see with your own eyes that they don't exist. The whole concept of Islam has always existed.

Do others make Islam look replusive? yea...But then again who are the true Muslims? The one's who follow The Qu'ran and Sunnah or the one's who so called "took part" of 9/11..

You can go on ahead and make a judgment to who is a Muslim and what not, but before you do that, think to yourself........Where should I look for them?

 

[MuslimModesty]

Have you passed it on to your fellow Muslims? They're the ones making all the trouble based on their misconceptions. The only way to correct our misconceptions is for them to stop their violent behavior.

I have no say into who is a true Muslim, Only Allah(swt) knows best. But, Stop Stop and Stop looking for answers at the wrong places. If you want to know why Muslims do what they do, Ask them..Not non-Muslim news anchors who try to take away the Peace in Islam.

 

[aymen amir]

Are you familiar with the fallacy ad hominem? You seem to be. The key thing to understand about it is that it is a fallacy, that is, not a valid argument. Is anything I said false?

btw, I find that Muslims often respond to facts about their behavior or religion with either the "I know you are, but what am I," or the "But Johnny does it too, mommy" arguments so beloved of small children. This does not speak well for them.

A am not trying to justify some in humane acts done by some misguided muslims ... all am saying is that you keep looking for answers in the wrong places .... as i said before if America stayed out of muslim countries we wouldnt be having this convo. in the first place ... and about what you said hounestly i dont trust were you get your infromation and stasticts ... maybe if you could convince your Goverment to pull out its troops from muslim countries then true scholars might get a chance to educate these muslims doing these acts

 

[Riverwolf]

It would, if they did. The problem is, they don't. Dutch police arrested 12 Somalis suspected of terrorism on Christmas Day.

12. How many Muslims are in the Netherlands?

Meanwhile, on December 20, British police arrested 12 suspected Muslim terrorists in cities around the UK.

12. How many Muslims are in the UK?

In Stockholm earlier this month, two bombs planted by Muslim terrorists injured several people, including the terrorist.

How many terrorists vs. how many Muslims in Stockholm?

That's just this month, and just in Europe. Unfortunately, Muslims in Europe are not living in peace and harmony with their neighbors. A substantial number of them are trying to blow their neighbors up.

Not very appreciative of European hospitality, are they?

All I see from you is the logical fallacy of generalization. Because a small group of idealists are blowing people up, or trying to, the religion that this group belongs to is evil?

By that logic, all Irish people must be evil because of the IRA.

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes. Don't listen to the news. Don't read the paper.

Very good. Want to know about the world? Don't read the paper and don't listen to the news, because you won't learn about the world. Unless the subject of the article is scientific (and even then it can be questionable), chances are there's going to be just propaganda.

The only way a news source is going to be reliable is if it's ABSOLUTELY neutral.

The best way to learn about the world is to go into the world and see for yourself.