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Quranic verses on killing infidels(non-Muslim)

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Did anyone else note in 10 of these 14 examples the majority voted that violence is not justified? These responses don't seem to reflect actions well.

I agree with those who maintain Islam is going through a violent period presently, just as Christianity has done. Just as many verses of Deuteronomy and Leviticus can be cited to support killing infidels as are in the Qur'an.

Personally I feel both faiths are equally irrational and I'd love to see more reason in the world instead of less.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Finally what you’ve all been awaiting for.>>>>
From experience, I learnt that many non-Muslims have the idea of Muslims despising them. They think that Islam teaches violence actions towards non-Muslims (Trust me, I have had many people who are afraid of me just by my presence).
However, that is far from the truth.

in verses [060:008] "God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loveth those who are just."
[060:009] But Allah forbids you to befriend those who fought against you over matters of faith, those who either assisted others in driving you out of your homes or drove you out themselves. Those of you who befriend them are indeed the evil doers

The Quran only teaches to act violently towards those who come to you with some trouble. Those who do not transgress should be treated humanely and benevolently with complete respect. Those who transgress should be fought,

"And fight in the cause of God those who fight against you, and do not commit aggression. Indeed God does not love those who are aggressors,"(2:190).

In other words, Islam is a religion of peace, not in the sense that it is pacifist, but in the sense that Muslims can and should co-exist peacefully with others who respect them ( regardless of their faith). Neither transgression is permitted nor forcing Islam upon non-Muslims, as the Quran says,

As Allah(swa) say's, "there is no compulsion in religion."(2:256) .


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YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
PICKTHAL: As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.
SHAKIR: Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.

Note the punishment is for this world and the hereafter,seems your Boss has other ideas
 

A Thousand Suns

Rationalist
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YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
PICKTHAL: As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.
SHAKIR: Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.

Note the punishment is for this world and the hereafter,seems your Boss has other ideas
You do realize this verse has nothing to do with the Op which is killing infidels

And Yes Allah do punish the unbelievers in this world too but thats in a different way

"So Allah made them taste disgrace in the life of this world and the punishment of the Hereafter is far worse if they only knew." [Surat az-Zumar, 26]

We are told that in this world the unbelievers will face unease ,God will make their lives miserable in many ways ---And they may seek relief by taking part in amusements of various sorts or by not thinking at all. Yet, it is impossible for such measures to bring them true peace and happiness. That is because Allah tells us

"Those who believe and whose hearts find peace in the remembrance of Allah. Only in the remembrance of Allah can the heart find peace" [Surat ar-Ra'd, 28]
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
You do realize this verse has nothing to do with the Op which is killing infidels

An Infidel is one without belief an unbeliever

And Yes Allah do punish the unbelievers in this world too but thats in a different way

"So Allah made them taste disgrace in the life of this world and the punishment of the Hereafter is far worse if they only knew." [Surat az-Zumar, 26]

If only we could prove a hereafter

We are told that in this world the unbelievers will face unease ,God will make their lives miserable in many ways ---And they may seek relief by taking part in amusements of various sorts or by not thinking at all. Yet, it is impossible for such measures to bring them true peace and happiness. That is because Allah tells us

Personally i'm quite happy

"Those who believe and whose hearts find peace in the remembrance of Allah. Only in the remembrance of Allah can the heart find peace" [Surat ar-Ra'd, 28]

Well that doesn't seem to be working does it
 

TJ73

Active Member
Did anyone else note in 10 of these 14 examples the majority voted that violence is not justified? These responses don't seem to reflect actions well.

I agree with those who maintain Islam is going through a violent period presently, just as Christianity has done. Just as many verses of Deuteronomy and Leviticus can be cited to support killing infidels as are in the Qur'an.

Personally I feel both faiths are equally irrational and I'd love to see more reason in the world instead of less.

I think it should be further noted that the countries that favor violence have the most outside pressure. The people that are killing do not have the sophisticated military war machines that countries like our do. I hate to see all the violence. I am so saddened to know people are killing themselves and innocent bystanders as well. I wish it would all stop. But I am no fool, I know that people that are provoked long enough will fight. I wish they could be patient and build strong governments and kill the way we do so they don't "look" so barbaric. These people are fighting a political fight. They want outside governments out. The want control of their own countries and resources. They don't want other to come to their land to take over their resources under the thin guise of democracy.
And As far as"don't take them as friends and helpers". This does not mean the opposite, like to harass or hurt, but someone that has shown disdain for Allah and is not on the same path, don't go to them as a confidant or rely on them for assistance, the can misguide you. So if I am a Conservative republican I wouldn't ask a liberal democrat to be my campaign adviser. His interests are not on the same path as mine.
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.

Yikes!

If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

A little late for that, huh? But that is what happens, text out of context, sura out of Koran. I believe Islam to be peaceful having read the Koran numerous times and having talked to Muslims; but I also believe there may be a point to "Muslim" in general to be synonymous with "violent" if violence keeps occurring.
 

Oberon

Well-Known Member
? But that is what happens, text out of context, sura out of Koran.
The entire koran is "out of context." It is like hearing only one side of a conversation. The "context" is, in many ways, provided by sayings and sira.

In any event, what "context" is necessary to understand sura 9:5 in a non-violent way, as it relates to the OP?
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
You do realize this verse has nothing to do with the Op which is killing infidels

And Yes Allah do punish the unbelievers in this world too but thats in a different way

"So Allah made them taste disgrace in the life of this world and the punishment of the Hereafter is far worse if they only knew." [Surat az-Zumar, 26]

We are told that in this world the unbelievers will face unease ,God will make their lives miserable in many ways ---And they may seek relief by taking part in amusements of various sorts or by not thinking at all. Yet, it is impossible for such measures to bring them true peace and happiness. That is because Allah tells us

"Those who believe and whose hearts find peace in the remembrance of Allah. Only in the remembrance of Allah can the heart find peace" [Surat ar-Ra'd, 28]

So, are those of us who are unbelievers who are living fantastic, happy, fulfilled lives living proof against these words -- or is it just a trend and not meant to be true for 100% of unbelievers?

I'm absolutely happy -- have a good education, getting a better one. Found my true love. Have many wonderful friends, the sort of friends you keep for life. If I die happy does that refute the Quran?
 

Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
One Statement!!!
Islam is Perfect....Muslims? hmmm..not soo much..
(That Should Explain it All!!:)

Then why over all these centuries has the "perfect way of life" not turned the areas that know it and practice it into tranquil lands of peace, prosperity, and tolerance -- when instead, the lands of the non-Muslims (and the most secular Muslim-majority countries like Turkey) are tending to accomplish this instead?

In fact there seems to be an inverse relationship between the severity of religiosity (Muslim or otherwise) and quality of life. Hmm...
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
There are about 50 Westboro Baptist Church members. There are millions of Muslims who support suicide bombing. Millions. There is no comparison. At this point, there is a Muslim suicide bombing somewhere in the world every day. In the least supportive (and most secular) Muslim country, Turkey, 3-17% of the population supports suicide attacks. That's >700,000 Turks alone. Do you think 3-17% of Americans support the Westboro Baptist Church? Which, by the way, does not bomb anyone?

You know what? I question your statistics, and suspect forgery. Have you considered that?
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Any christians. Catholics, baptists, evangelicals; everyone.

Muslims werent terrorists during the dark ages in europe. In fact it was quite peaceful. Christians were the "terrorists" back in the day. Now they are peaceful, just as the muslims are going through what I call a trend.

Out of the 5 major world religions, 3 of them have gone through these stage.
1. Hindus
2. Christians
3. Muslims

4. Buddhists next?

Yeah, religion is dangerous business.

Yes, at one time Christianity was at least as bad as Islam is today. So I don't think the difference is in the religion. It must be somewhere else. Where do you think we can find the difference?

I think it's that Christianity went through the Enlightenment, and was tempered by secular enlightenment values, while Islam has yet to do so. Until it does, it will remain a violent, dangerous, repressive ideology, just as Christianity was in the Middle Ages.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
One Statement!!!
Islam is Perfect....Muslims? hmmm..not soo much..
(That Should Explain it All!!:)

Well, Islam is Perfect, but does not exist, has never existed, and will never exist. Meanwhile, the Religion Practiced by Muslims (RPM for short) breeds violence, terrorism, repression, denial of women's rights, punishing rape victims, child brides, Female Genital Mutilation, executing gay people, and an unremitting catalogue of horrors.

I don't think we need to worry about Islam, since it's purely imaginary. But this RPM needs to die.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well said.

-Q
Personally, I'd fully expect an imperfect religion to resonate with equally imperfect followers. For a perfect religion to resonate with imperfect followers is unreasonable thinking, at best, and highly delusional, at worst.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I don't think we need to worry about Islam, since it's purely imaginary. But this RPM needs to die.
I guess that what puzzles me, Auto. How could imperfect followers of a religion even know if the path outlined for them was perfect or not? Even the term, "Religion of Peace", have a decidedly Orwellian ring to it. Most folks who are using the term will never question how meaningful the term is or what it actually entails... or what it does not...
 

ellenjanuary

Well-Known Member
Personally, I'd fully expect an imperfect religion to resonate with equally imperfect followers. For a perfect religion to resonate with imperfect followers is unreasonable thinking, at best, and highly delusional, at worst.
Hey! That's how my Gwynnies works. She's perfect, and I'm an idiot. :D
 
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