Eye of Ra
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One Statement!!!
Islam is Perfect....Muslims? hmmm..not soo much..
(That Should Explain it All!!
I don't know about Islam being perfect now...but peaceful, yes, it's supposed to be.
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One Statement!!!
Islam is Perfect....Muslims? hmmm..not soo much..
(That Should Explain it All!!
Finally what youve all been awaiting for.>>>>
From experience, I learnt that many non-Muslims have the idea of Muslims despising them. They think that Islam teaches violence actions towards non-Muslims (Trust me, I have had many people who are afraid of me just by my presence).
However, that is far from the truth.
in verses [060:008] "God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loveth those who are just."
[060:009] But Allah forbids you to befriend those who fought against you over matters of faith, those who either assisted others in driving you out of your homes or drove you out themselves. Those of you who befriend them are indeed the evil doers
The Quran only teaches to act violently towards those who come to you with some trouble. Those who do not transgress should be treated humanely and benevolently with complete respect. Those who transgress should be fought,
"And fight in the cause of God those who fight against you, and do not commit aggression. Indeed God does not love those who are aggressors,"(2:190).
In other words, Islam is a religion of peace, not in the sense that it is pacifist, but in the sense that Muslims can and should co-exist peacefully with others who respect them ( regardless of their faith). Neither transgression is permitted nor forcing Islam upon non-Muslims, as the Quran says,
As Allah(swa) say's, "there is no compulsion in religion."(2:256) .
You do realize this verse has nothing to do with the Op which is killing infidels003.056
YUSUFALI: "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
PICKTHAL: As for those who disbelieve I shall chastise them with a heavy chastisement in the world and the Hereafter; and they will have no helpers.
SHAKIR: Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.
Note the punishment is for this world and the hereafter,seems your Boss has other ideas
You do realize this verse has nothing to do with the Op which is killing infidels
An Infidel is one without belief an unbeliever
And Yes Allah do punish the unbelievers in this world too but thats in a different way
"So Allah made them taste disgrace in the life of this world and the punishment of the Hereafter is far worse if they only knew." [Surat az-Zumar, 26]
If only we could prove a hereafter
We are told that in this world the unbelievers will face unease ,God will make their lives miserable in many ways ---And they may seek relief by taking part in amusements of various sorts or by not thinking at all. Yet, it is impossible for such measures to bring them true peace and happiness. That is because Allah tells us
Personally i'm quite happy
"Those who believe and whose hearts find peace in the remembrance of Allah. Only in the remembrance of Allah can the heart find peace" [Surat ar-Ra'd, 28]
Did anyone else note in 10 of these 14 examples the majority voted that violence is not justified? These responses don't seem to reflect actions well.
I agree with those who maintain Islam is going through a violent period presently, just as Christianity has done. Just as many verses of Deuteronomy and Leviticus can be cited to support killing infidels as are in the Qur'an.
Personally I feel both faiths are equally irrational and I'd love to see more reason in the world instead of less.
Them 50 sure make a lot of freaking noise. I can hear 'em all the way over here. Makes me wanna - go Islamic on 'em... OK, that wasn't nice. I go back in my hole, now.There are about 50 Westboro Baptist Church members.
You do realize this verse has nothing to do with the Op which is killing infidels
The entire koran is "out of context." It is like hearing only one side of a conversation. The "context" is, in many ways, provided by sayings and sira.? But that is what happens, text out of context, sura out of Koran.
You do realize this verse has nothing to do with the Op which is killing infidels
And Yes Allah do punish the unbelievers in this world too but thats in a different way
"So Allah made them taste disgrace in the life of this world and the punishment of the Hereafter is far worse if they only knew." [Surat az-Zumar, 26]
We are told that in this world the unbelievers will face unease ,God will make their lives miserable in many ways ---And they may seek relief by taking part in amusements of various sorts or by not thinking at all. Yet, it is impossible for such measures to bring them true peace and happiness. That is because Allah tells us
"Those who believe and whose hearts find peace in the remembrance of Allah. Only in the remembrance of Allah can the heart find peace" [Surat ar-Ra'd, 28]
One Statement!!!
Islam is Perfect....Muslims? hmmm..not soo much..
(That Should Explain it All!!
No need to continue pointing fingers.
Maybe they are on to something?
There are about 50 Westboro Baptist Church members. There are millions of Muslims who support suicide bombing. Millions. There is no comparison. At this point, there is a Muslim suicide bombing somewhere in the world every day. In the least supportive (and most secular) Muslim country, Turkey, 3-17% of the population supports suicide attacks. That's >700,000 Turks alone. Do you think 3-17% of Americans support the Westboro Baptist Church? Which, by the way, does not bomb anyone?
Any christians. Catholics, baptists, evangelicals; everyone.
Muslims werent terrorists during the dark ages in europe. In fact it was quite peaceful. Christians were the "terrorists" back in the day. Now they are peaceful, just as the muslims are going through what I call a trend.
Out of the 5 major world religions, 3 of them have gone through these stage.
1. Hindus
2. Christians
3. Muslims
4. Buddhists next?
One Statement!!!
Islam is Perfect....Muslims? hmmm..not soo much..
(That Should Explain it All!!
Islam and its teachings are perfect. Muslims? aahhh, not soo much.
Personally, I'd fully expect an imperfect religion to resonate with equally imperfect followers. For a perfect religion to resonate with imperfect followers is unreasonable thinking, at best, and highly delusional, at worst.Well said.
-Q
I guess that what puzzles me, Auto. How could imperfect followers of a religion even know if the path outlined for them was perfect or not? Even the term, "Religion of Peace", have a decidedly Orwellian ring to it. Most folks who are using the term will never question how meaningful the term is or what it actually entails... or what it does not...I don't think we need to worry about Islam, since it's purely imaginary. But this RPM needs to die.
Hey! That's how my Gwynnies works. She's perfect, and I'm an idiot.Personally, I'd fully expect an imperfect religion to resonate with equally imperfect followers. For a perfect religion to resonate with imperfect followers is unreasonable thinking, at best, and highly delusional, at worst.