Quran is free of errors

[The Voice of Reason]

do you want me to answer that?
and do you have a problem with me Reason?
if you do please let me know.

I have no problem with you, personally, eselam. Nor do I have a problem with Zhakir.

I do have a problem with the attempt (by anyone) to try to pass off a book written by human beings as being the inerrant word of God.

 

[Gharib]

I don't believe it is perfect. In fact, it is far from it. To go even further i reject the idea of a God and i strongly believe the Quran was written by power hungry men who Deified Mohammed in order to abuse those weak enough to submit to them. Disagree, prove me wrong without using the Quran.

read my post just above this one, see how the bible is man made? it shows the errors.

 

[Gharib]

I have no problem with you, personally, eselam. Nor do I have a problem with Zhakir.

ok so we've cleared that out.

I do have a problem with the attempt (by anyone) to try to pass off a book written by human beings as being the inerrant word of God.

what do you think of my answer to your question then?

 

[Zhakir]

I don't believe it is perfect. In fact, it is far from it. To go even further i reject the idea of a God and i strongly believe the Quran was written by power hungry men who Deified Mohammed in order to abuse those weak enough to submit to them. Disagree, prove me wrong without using the Quran.

Prove you wrong without using the Quran?! why is that?
Maybe now you understand,why would you spend 100% less time arguing about it, and 100% more time learning from it.
Prove yourself to be right using the Quran or history
About the so called hungrey people thing,How did they know about all these scientific facts which couldn't be known by humans at the 7th century?

 

[darkendless]

Prove you wrong without using the Quran?! why is that?
Maybe now you understand,why would you spend 100% less time arguing about it, and 100% more time learning from it.
Prove yourself to be right using the Quran or history
About the so called hungrey people thing,How did they know about all these scientific facts which couldn't be known by humans at the 7th century?

The Quran does not satasfy anything. If i wanted to know the Qurans opinion on something i'd read it. Posting scripture means you can read and copy, it adds absolutely nothing to a debate over its correctness.

Look up, see anything? Didn't think so. If there's a God up there he's not controlling his flock of loyal sheep very well. God is invented in our minds, hence why most religions are only 2 or 3 thousand years old.

Quranic Scholars are applying today's science (poorly at that i must say) to the verses within the Quran. They could mean just about anything. You have to want to believe the verses say something scientific.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

what do you think of my answer to your question then?

You're answer was expected, insufficient, and transparent.

You wish to draw a line between your insistence of having the one true faith, and that of another mortal making the same claim, by citing a failure in their sacred text, while refusing to admit to the errors in yours.

I asked the question in an attempt to get you to see that you aren't the only people to claim to know God's mind, through a sacred, inerrant text. Naturally, you completely missed the hypocrisy of your position. You claim that your text is the inerrant word of God, just as a fundamentalist Christian does. There is no difference. You both think the other is a misguided infidel. Again - there is no difference.

 

[Zhakir]

You're answer was expected, insufficient, and transparent.

You wish to draw a line between your insistence of having the one true faith, and that of another mortal making the same claim, by citing a failure in their sacred text, while refusing to admit to the errors in yours.

I asked the question in an attempt to get you to see that you aren't the only people to claim to know God's mind, through a sacred, inerrant text. Naturally, you completely missed the hypocrisy of your position. You claim that your text is the inerrant word of God, just as a fundamentalist Christian does. There is no difference. You both think the other is a misguided infidel. Again - there is no difference.

Why don't try to prove your claims,if disagree with "Quran has no errors" then prove your claims.

And don't ignore the difference between,Bible and Quran,we showed you them
so instead of repeating your line,try to prove that bible is like Quran,you can't.

 

[YmirGF]

There is no difference. You both think the other is a misguided infidel. Again - there is no difference.

What I don't quite understand Tvor is that Zak thinks he is doing us a favor. He actually believes what he is saying is true and yet, like Eselam, his answers to virtually any question are paper thin at best. If he is trying to convince us of the accuracy of his certitude, you would think that his answers would actually be reasonable. I see a lot of faith -- fanatical faith, even -- but precious little reason or logic. We know that fundamentalists have problems with critical thinking but I am beginning to wonder if this erosion extends to include less fanatical types as well.

 

[YmirGF]

Why don't try to prove your claims,if disagree with "Quran has no errors" then prove your claims.

And don't ignore the difference between,Bible and Quran,we showed you them
so instead of repeating you line,try to prove that bible is like Quran,you can't.

Zhak, Zhak, Zhak...

How many times do people have to tell you that the vast majority of Christians do not believe that the Bible is the literal word of God?
When you set out to prove something that is already widely known it doesn't make you appear very intelligent.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone compare the Bible to the Qur'an to be honest -- other than Muslims.

As to the errors in the Qur'an, there are errors, you just don't want to admit it -- because you CANNOT admit to them. Any attempts by someone to show you the errors is fighting a losing battle, as you WILL NEVER AGREE. Therefore, why would anyone in their right mind bother trying to convince people who are not prepared to examine their book critically?

Like your "arguments" -- it makes no sense.

And Muslims wonder why they don't get the respect they feel they are entitled to.

 

[Zhakir]

What i don't understand is that you claim many things without providing any evidence.
I am Fundamentalist muslim,what critical thinkings you have? Show them
I'll be glad to clearify

 

[Zhakir]

Zhak, Zhak, Zhak...

How many times do people have to tell you that the vast majority of Christians do not believe that the Bible is the literal word of God?
When you set out to prove something that is already widely known it doesn't make you appear very intelligent.

I know that you know,good,but yet many christians in RF still reject this.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone compare the Bible to the Qur'an to be honest -- other than Muslims.

As to the errors in the Qur'an, there are errors, you just don't want to admit it -- because you CANNOT admit to them. Any attempts by someone to show you the errors is fighting a losing battle, as you WILL NEVER AGREE. Therefore, why would anyone in their right mind bother trying to convince people who are not prepared to examine their book critically?

Like your "arguments" -- it makes no sense.

And Muslims wonder why they don't get the respect they feel they are entitled to.

What are these errors?, spread earth doesn't mean made it flat.

 

[JMorris]

its like speaking to stubborn 5 year olds. the quran means nothing to people who arent muslim, so why keep referring back to it when trying to prove its perfect? you cant say its perfect because you dont know god, or what happens after you die. how can we prove any religion is imperfect when its all made up any way?

 

[Zhakir]

its like speaking to stubborn 5 year olds. the quran means nothing to people who arent muslim, so why keep referring back to it when trying to prove its perfect? you cant say its perfect because you dont know god, or what happens after you die. how can we prove any religion is imperfect when its all made up any way?

How about proving what you claim.Quran means alot to those none-muslims
who make islam the fastest growing religion in the world by converting

CNN WORLD NEWS: Islam is the fastest-growing religion
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.i...

Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States:
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a1...

Times on line: Thousands of british people convert to islam every year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk...

Why European women are turning to Islam:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p01s0...

Washington Post: Islam Luring More Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn...



CNN News 1.5 Million Americans coverted to ISLAM in USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKKntnZAw...

NBC: WHY 20,000 Americans convert to Islam annually?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Ud-LUIM...

 

[JMorris]

How about proving what you claim.Quran means alot to those none-muslims
who make islam the fastest growing religion in the world by converting

CNN WORLD NEWS: Islam is the fastest-growing religion
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.i...

Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States:
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a1...

Times on line: Thousands of british people convert to islam every year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk...

Why European women are turning to Islam:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p01s0...

Washington Post: Islam Luring More Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn...



CNN News 1.5 Million Americans coverted to ISLAM in USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKKntnZAw...

NBC: WHY 20,000 Americans convert to Islam annually?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Ud-LUIM...

why would i care about the number of people converting to islam? the number of muslims dosent make islam true. the number of conversions dosent make it true. why are you so compelled to try and prove islam as perfect? are you insecure about your religion? you have every right to believe whatever you want, but its not perfect, you cant prove that it is. you dont know god or what happens after we die anymore than anyone else. and i can prove my claim, i am not muslim, and quran means nothing to me.

 

[McBell]

Why don't try to prove your claims,if disagree with "Quran has no errors" then prove your claims.

And don't ignore the difference between,Bible and Quran,we showed you them
so instead of repeating your line,try to prove that bible is like Quran,you can't.

Why do Muslims get to take the stance "What I believe is the God given truth until someone can prove it wrong" whilst the non-Muslim has to prove every claim they make?

Fact is, Zhakir, neither you nor eselam have proven anything in this thread concerning the infallibility or inerrantness of the Koran.

Yet you both jump up and down claiming that we have to prove your claims false whilst dismissing everyone elses claims because they have to be proven correct.

You are trying to have evryone else do your homework for you whilst standing on your Kent Hovind foundation.

 

[McBell]

How about proving what you claim.Quran means alot to those none-muslims
who make islam the fastest growing religion in the world by converting

CNN WORLD NEWS: Islam is the fastest-growing religion
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.i...

Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States:
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a1...

Times on line: Thousands of british people convert to islam every year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk...

Why European women are turning to Islam:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p01s0...

Washington Post: Islam Luring More Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn...

CNN News 1.5 Million Americans coverted to ISLAM in USA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKKntnZAw...

NBC: WHY 20,000 Americans convert to Islam annually?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Ud-LUIM...

You fall to a blatant appeal to numbers and think that presenting this falacy proves something?

Wow.

The Mind Boggles

 

[Zhakir]

why would i care about the number of people converting to islam?

I'm not sure, maybe thought like this because you have just said

the quran means nothing to people who arent muslim, so why keep referring back to it when trying to prove its perfect?

are you insecure about your religion? you have every right to believe whatever you want, but its not perfect, you cant prove that it is. you dont know god or what happens after we die anymore than anyone else.

I 100% believe in my religion,and unlike you can prove i's the true one

and i can prove my claim,

Let's see

i am not muslim, and quran means nothing to me.

Yes,you aren't and it's you choice
2:256
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the mosttrustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

and quran means nothing to me.

After hearing all these contradictions you made,i can't be so sure,no i don't believe in what you just said
17:81-82
And say: "Truth has now arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is by its nature bound to perish." We send down stage by stage in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.

 

[JMorris]

prove to me that Islam is the only correct religion.

 

[Zhakir]

4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an with care? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found there in Much discrepancy.
*Quran speaks about scientific facts,which were discoverd recently and couldn't be known at the time of Muhammad (pbuh),proving that it's the word of God
www.quranmiracles.com
*Quarn doesn't have a single scientific error or a contradiction,and i challenge any one to point out a single teaching of the Quran which is aginst humanity as whole.

Before we go any further how do you think Muhammad (pbuh) know these scientific facts in the 7th century?

*Muslims say the word of God and believe in it
*Many-in RF -say it was sent by supernatural force.but not god
*Many-in RF-are desperatelly refuse that Quran speaks about science.

which one of those you are?

 

[The Voice of Reason]

And don't ignore the difference between,Bible and Quran,we showed you them
so instead of repeating your line,try to prove that bible is like Quran,you can't.

I am not saying that the Bible is like the Koran. I am saying that your blind devotion, and claims of God inspired inerrancy are exactly the same as those made by a fundamentalist Christian.

... and you are BOTH wrong.

Question - does the Koran call for the stoning of people, under certain circumstances, or do the people in the Middle East take it upon themselves?