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Quran is free of errors

Discussion in 'Quranic Debates' started by Zhakir, Apr 29, 2009.

  1. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    The word of God can't have any errors,let's check Al-Quran.
     
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  2. Ringer

    Ringer Jar of Clay

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    That's true. Now, if we can only find such a document. Does the Quran claim to be perfect?
     
  3. Phasmid

    Phasmid Mr Invisible

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    Even IF it had no errors, that does not make it the word of god.
     
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  4. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    Why the truth is funny to you.
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    Yes
    4:82
    Do they not consider the Qur'an with care? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found there in Much discrepancy.
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  5. Kilgore Trout

    Kilgore Trout Misanthropic Humanist

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    This post has no errors. It was written by me, god.
     
  6. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    All of the so called Quran errors are either complete lies or mistranslations.
    Many got their wrong idea from this site
    Science in the Quran






    And if you open the Quran you'll find that these people were just lying,
    So what?


    It's one of theories we have now,Quran does not contradict with facts,but no wonder with theories.



    So what?


    Are we going to live like animals?I'm sure no,not if someone (male or female)wants to have sex with his mother or brother or father or daughter or sister.I don't say that no one does,but I think humans should not "follow animals" .
    And the author is lying the Quran says ,"no human being before you" not creature.

    Prove it.

    The mountain name wasn't mentioned.

    See above


    Quran never said it was the solar system.the 11 planets represent his brothers.


    Never said that,Couldn't give the complete verse?
    13:2
    Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He hassubjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) fora term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs indetail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

    see even earth isn't mentioned



    It doesn't.Never mentioned it's flat


    see above


    16:68
    Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodiesa drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is aSign for those who give thought
    It's a mistranslation it's ثمرات not فواكه (=fruits)
     
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  7. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    v.86
    Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "OZul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
    v.90
    Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection againstthe sun.

    sun doesn't actually set or rise.in the verses refer to time


    Not Quran considering this.we are discussing Quran


    See above


    21:33
    It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all move along, each in its own orbit.

    Is it clear that he is lying?


    Why did you forget the rest of the verse, underlined green words="forgotten words"
    24:45
    And Allah has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some thatwalk on four. Allah creates what He wills for verily Allah has power over allthings.

    *Some not all
    *Allah creats what he wills


    27:61
    Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar betweenthe two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah?Nay, most of them know not.
    To bad we can't show these lies in the web site.
     
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  8. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    35:13
    He merges Night into Day, and he merges Day into Night, and he has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law): each one runs its coursefor a term appointed. Such is Allah your Lord: to Him belongs all Dominion.And those whom ye invoke besides Him have not the least power.
    No where does the Quran say sun orbits the earth.(rounds around it)


    36:38
    And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of Him, the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.
    Now we know sun runs around the center of the galaxy,and it will die just like all stars in the universe


    36:40
    It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night out strip the Day: Each move along in its own orbit.



    A whale,so?



    41:12

    So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lowerheaven with lights, and provided it with guard. Such is the Decree of Him the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.
     
  9. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    That's What you want others to think,Quran never said the earth is flat


    Never said it's flat


    54:1
    The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
    Never said Muhammad.Some think happened at the time of Muhammad(pbuh),and others think it will happen when the Hour is nigh,
    This can't be proved wrong.


    And?....


    67:5
    And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven withlamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.
    Maybe you will believe in it after you believe in Shaitans


    69:14
    And the earth with the mountains shall be lifted up and crushed with one crash
    Maybe you will believe in it after you believe in the day of judgement
    Yet many things mentioned in the Quran regarding the End of the world should be believed Now
    Quran Miracles | THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE IN THE END OF THE UNIVERSE
    Quran Miracles | DEATH OF THE STARS AND THE SUN
    Quran Miracles | FROM BIG BANG TO BIG CRUNCH
     
  10. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
    The arabic word نور means reflected light


    Never said it's flat

    Again,Quran never says it's flat,"spread" word can be used in all shapes

    81:2
    And when the stars darken,
    Quran Miracles | DEATH OF THE STARS AND THE SUN


    89:6-7
    He is created from a drop emitted-
    Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

    Know the breast role in sex
    see above

    105:2-3
    And He sent against them Flights of Birds. Striking them with stones of baked clay.
    How to prove this wrong?
     
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  11. Daemon Sophic

    Daemon Sophic Avatar in flux

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    Quran 96: 2 "Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood" - :no: And I would mention that this also contradicts Eselam's parallel thread. :sorry1:


    Quran 36: 40 "It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit." Neither the sun or moon, nor day and night "orbit". Rather, we (Earth) revolve. :sorry1:

    The next two are contradictory within the Quran: :sorry1:
    Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning
    Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.
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    I would also refer you to this website ---> http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp9.htm

    I find the comparison list (halfway to two-thirds the way down the page) between statements of Meccan vs Medinan. :cover:


    P.S. - DISCLAIMER --- this latter website seems to promote the Bible over the Quran. I disagree with the validity of BOTH texts as anything more than human writings. :shrug:
     
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  12. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    You surely got wrong,any way we are discussing Al-Quran.

    Sun rounds around the center of the galaxy,and Moon around the earth. are you denying this?!
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    About the so called contradiction
    The Arabic word يوم "Yoom " translated "day" means
    *A long period of time "doesn't have one value"
    *day time( sun shine time ) (the first 12 hours)
    *In modren arabic it's oftenly means 24 hours (but not orginially=standerd arabic)
     
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  13. Don Penguinoini

    Don Penguinoini Modi.

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    The Koran is not perfect. What a silly conclusion...

    The Vedas is free of errors.
     
  14. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    Don p
    I don't really want to change the topic or harm your feelings ,but you are wrong
    I'll only give you one example
    Rig Ved: 10: 121: 1
    “In the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born only Lord of all created beings. He fixed and holds up the earth and the heaven.”

    Earth does move,and the universe is expandig
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    Now lets get back to our topic
     
  15. Don Penguinoini

    Don Penguinoini Modi.

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    Nu-uh! That is totally wrong!

    Rig Ved: 10: 121: 1
    “In the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born only Lord of all created beings. He fixed and holds up the earth and the heaven. Oh yeah and guys, that last bit wasn't entirely true"

    Don't forget that when the Muslims invaded, they polluted the Vedas a lot of with propaganda to convert people...
    [​IMG]
     
  16. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    If you read my posts you wouldn't put this picture.
    27:61
    Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar betweenthe two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah?Nay, most of them know not.
    And
    13:2
    Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He hassubjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) fora term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs indetail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
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    Wondering why i underlined these words in 13:2?
    Because..........

    “The sky is supported by pillars.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30
    “The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 14:5

    PLEASE
    GET A LIFE!
     
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  17. Don Penguinoini

    Don Penguinoini Modi.

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    I am not afraid to say that the Vedas has got mistakes with Science in it. They did not have the technology to understand.

    Me? Get a life? Who joined these forums to spread the word of the "noble" Koran? Also, don't forget, that Sanskrit is MUCH more complicated than Arabic, for example there are 100 words for water. It is impossible to have an accurate translation.
     
  18. themadhair

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    Let’s see:
    So in three sentences we have a claim that the earth is flat, the claim that all things come in pairs (false due to asexual reproduction) and a sentence that could not have been spoken by Allah.
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  19. Don Penguinoini

    Don Penguinoini Modi.

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    Quran- 3:85"Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers."

    Quran gives us more scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:
    Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans (Evils)&#8230;
    Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
    Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Heavenly council? Here Quran is actually talking/describing about falling (shooting) stars (Ulka, Dhumkathoo). Superstitious minds of Quran believed that the sky is the roof (seven firmaments) over the earth where kingdom of Allah situated and there in Allah&#8217;s kingdom daily assembly (Allah and His Angels) sits to discuss how to run Allah&#8217;s business on earth. So, Allah does not want Satan to listen Allah&#8217;s secret conversation with His Angels
     
  20. Zhakir

    Zhakir Peace&Tolerance

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    Good, so you no more believe in what you just said
    Good.
     
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