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Quran allow beating wifes

GURSIKH

chardi kla
SHAKIR,4:43: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.


Allah is merciful !!
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.034
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The passage was probably as humane in its day as it is inhumane in this day.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
you means Quran is not for now ( outdated )?,

I don't know if the Quran is outdated, but I do know that any scripture that does not allow for people to progress morally and/or spiritually is outdated the day it's written.
 

xkatz

Well-Known Member
SHAKIR,4:43: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

This is only a English translation. If translated into English it could mean several things.
 

footprints

Well-Known Member
SHAKIR,4:43: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.


Allah is merciful !!
CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

And so too was it in Western Culture at the same time as the Great Prophet. The Victorian Era seen great atrocities committed against women long after the Great Prophet was dead. It was a mans right in the Victorian Era to beat their wife, rape her if she didn't want sex, a womans place was to be seen and not heard, they were even considered too dumb and stupid to vote.

Fortunately both cultures have moved on since then and put greater teachings into effect, which pertain to their own respective book of life.
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
There are a few men who beat their wife and any religious affiliation wasn't necessary.....;)
 

footprints

Well-Known Member
There are a few men who beat their wife and any religious affiliation wasn't necessary.....;)

And isn't that the unfortunate truth Charity. One day let us hope that no man needs/wants to beat a woman, and no woman needs/wants to beat a man, maybe that way children will stand half a chance. However whilst ever adults in society want to beat each other, children will always believe it is the adult thing to do.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Charity,

There are a few men who beat their wife and any religious affiliation wasn't necessary.....

True BUT if the same has religious sanctions, then one does not even feel guilty of any wrong doing,; is the question here!

Love & rgds
 

Metempsychosis

Reincarnation of 'Anti-religion'
Their is a Sufi interpretation of this verse:Thats good IMHO.

In order to unpack the entire aggression against women in Islam we have to locate it in its proper historical-cultural unfolding, namely: (a) the lingering pre-Islamic violation of women; (b) an attempt to insert a mental image of a male patriarchal god onto Islam (an act of shirk) – instead of accepting the new revelation of God as Light; and (c) misunderstood struggle against polytheism, where the most prominent gods were female; and finally, (d) the struggle for power and control of the new religion between the male companions and family of the Prophet (PBUH) and the female companions and family (particularly Fatima and Aisha), wherein the males won the battle. All of that is complicated, but we do plan on working through those issues for our readers.Only that the reader of the Qur’an must always do two things: place it in its historical context; and attempt to view it from various spiritual stations.

"As to those women on whose part you fear disloyalty and ill-conduct: First, admonish them; second, refuse to share their beds, and finally, beat them lightly."

Surah 4:34 has various meanings, depending on the station of the soul the reader is on.
"The Spirit (Ruh) is the protector and maintainer of the Soul (Naf)...As to the Soul which is prone to disobedience and ill-conduct: First, apply reason (logos) to yourself [in other words, be mentally grounded in the law, ethics, etc.]; second, follow the path of abstinence (including fasting); and finally scourge yourself with ordeals [in order to gain mastery over your flesh]. But if you fear that your soul and spirit are irreconcilable, then call counselors to assist you, individuals of wisdom drawn from both those versed in the law and those of the emotions (e.g. poetry, art, music, etc)."

Found here:The Rose Sufi Crescent: Quran Surah 4:34

The Rose Sufi Crescent
(sorry if this version of Sufism contains some concepts from Satanic Eastern faiths :eek:)
 

Charity

Let's go racing boys !
Friend Charity,



True BUT if the same has religious sanctions, then one does not even feel guilty of any wrong doing,; is the question here!

Love & rgds
Feeling guilty or not it us unacceptable....;)
It has the same consequences for the recipient whether the person inflicting the pain was "religious or atheist"......
Unless a person has been on the receiving end of an abusive situation I think it is difficult to really comprehend the harm both physical and emotional.
 
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