No*s
Captain Obvious
Joannicius said:I laughed out loud to keep from crying when I read this.... thanks ! !
Yeah, I liked that one. It's a pretty good message .
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Joannicius said:I laughed out loud to keep from crying when I read this.... thanks ! !
That is truly beautiful No*s; thank you.No*s said:From the Divine Liturgy:
Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.
Praise the Lord, O my soul!
I will praise the Lord as long as I live; I will sing praises to my God while I have being.
Put not your trust in princes, in sons of men in whom there is no salvation.
When his breath departs he returns to his earth; on that very day his plans perish.
The Lord will reign forever; Thy God, O Zion, to all generations.
Now and ever and unto ages of ages. Amen.
Only-begotten Son and Immortal Word of God,
Who for our salvation didst will to be incarnate of the holy Theotokos and ever-virgin Mary,
Who without change didst become man and wast crucified,
Who art one of the Holy Trinity, glorified with the Father and the Holy Spirit:
O Christ our God, trampling down death by death, save us!
So true. When I see the excesses some converts go to in their search for 'true' Orthodoxy and the senseless and unloving arguments they make it really makes me sad.No*s said:Kyriacos Markides, in his book The Mountain of Silence, includes the following quote (itself taken from Fr. Seraphim Rose's biography):
"The experience you just described [one of initial spiritual work being floor-scrubbing] is similar to that of another novice who went to Mount Athos to become a master of spiritual secrets," I interrupted while takingout of my handbag a book I was reading. I began flipping through the pages. I then translated a relevant passage into Grek sentance by sentence.
"Not many years ago," I read, "a young monastic aspirant went to Mount Athos. In talking with the venerable abbot of the monastery where he wished to stay, he told him, `Holy Father! My heart burns for the spiritual life, for asceticism, for unceasing communion with God, for obedience to an elder. Instruct me, please, Holy Father, that I may attain spiritual advancement.' Going to a bookshelf, the abbot pulled down a copy of David Copperfield by Charles Dickens. `Read this, son,' he said. `But, Father!' objected the disturbed aspirant. `This is heterodox Victorian sentimentality, a product of the Western captiviity! This isn't spiritual, it's not even Orthodox! Ineed writings which will teach me spirituality!' The abbot smiled, saying, `Unless you first develop normal, human, Christian feelings and learn to view life as little Davey did--with simplicity, kindness, warmth, and forgiveness--then all the Orthodox spirituality and Patristic writings will not only be of no help to you--tthey will turn you into a spiritual monster and destroy your soul.'"
May God help us all in our humility and love that we don't simply make the faith an abstract thing for debate.
JamesThePersian said:So true. When I see the excesses some converts go to in their search for 'true' Orthodoxy and the senseless and unloving arguments they make it really makes me sad.
James