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Featured Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by paarsurrey, Nov 11, 2019.

  1. paarsurrey

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    Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad

    "Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say." "

    Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @Muffled in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word "say" and or "قُلۡ" in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
    Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words "اَلَمۡ تَرَ" or "Dost thou" is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And "یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ" or "O thou Prophet" is yet another one:
    [33:29]یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ قُلۡ لِّاَزۡوَاجِکَ اِنۡ کُنۡـتُنَّ تُرِدۡنَ الۡحَیٰوۃَ الدُّنۡیَا وَ زِیۡنَتَہَا فَتَعَالَیۡنَ اُمَتِّعۡکُنَّ وَ اُسَرِّحۡکُنَّ سَرَاحًا جَمِیۡلًا ﴿۲۹﴾
    O Prophet! say to thy wives, ‘If you desire the life of this world and its adornment, come then, I will provide for you and send you away in a handsome manner.
    [33:30]وَ اِنۡ کُنۡـتُنَّ تُرِدۡنَ اللّٰہَ وَ رَسُوۡلَہٗ وَ الدَّارَ الۡاٰخِرَۃَ فَاِنَّ اللّٰہَ اَعَدَّ لِلۡمُحۡسِنٰتِ مِنۡکُنَّ اَجۡرًا عَظِیۡمًا ﴿۳۰﴾
    ‘But if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the Home of the Hereafter, then truly Allah has prepared for those of you who do good a great reward.’
    The Holy Quran - Chapter: 33: Al-Ahzab
    In these verses there are three styles of direct Converse of G-d with Muhammad:
    1. "یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ"/"O Prophet", the other is
    2. "قُلۡ"/"say", and through Muhammad, his wives have been addressed as He commands Muhammad to tell them in his home
    3. "لِّاَزۡوَاجِکَ"/"thy wives".
    Right, please?
    1. Is there any such verse in the Torah of the Judaism where G-d has directly addressed Moses, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
    2. Is there any such verse in the Bible of the Christianity where G-d (not Jesus, who Jesus was never god or son of god) has directly addressed Jesus, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
    3. Is there any such verse in Kitab-i-Iqan by Bahaullah (where G-d has directly spoken to Bahaullah, Bahaullah was never a god), there cannot be any verse as G-d did not speak to Bahaullah directly? If there is any, please quote it here. Right, please?
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    I observe that Quran right from its start to its end is a direct Converse and in a sense a continuous dialogue between G-d and Muhammad providing live guidance, and through Muhammad to his companions, to the other people of his time and the world in large and for all times to come to all humanity. Right, please?
     
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    Does one think that God- Allah- the Omniscient and Supreme entity has mentioned in an unambiguous, unequivocal manner that World is flat and it is mentioned in Quran without any doubt whatsoever, please?
    Is that what one means exactly, please?

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    "1. كلي العلم2. عالم بكل شىء"
     
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    Yes, Sir
    The Judaism people, the Christianity people and the Bahaullah's follower mention had one to believe it but it is far from truth:

    [5:42]
    یٰۤاَیُّہَا الرَّسُوۡلُ لَا یَحۡزُنۡکَ الَّذِیۡنَ یُسَارِعُوۡنَ فِی الۡکُفۡرِ مِنَ الَّذِیۡنَ قَالُوۡۤا اٰمَنَّا بِاَفۡوَاہِہِمۡ وَ لَمۡ تُؤۡمِنۡ قُلُوۡبُہُمۡ ۚۛ وَ مِنَ الَّذِیۡنَ ہَادُوۡا ۚۛ سَمّٰعُوۡنَ لِلۡکَذِبِ سَمّٰعُوۡنَ لِقَوۡمٍ اٰخَرِیۡنَ ۙ لَمۡ یَاۡتُوۡکَ ؕ یُحَرِّفُوۡنَ الۡکَلِمَ مِنۡۢ بَعۡدِ مَوَاضِعِہٖ ۚ یَقُوۡلُوۡنَ اِنۡ اُوۡتِیۡتُمۡ ہٰذَا فَخُذُوۡہُ وَ اِنۡ لَّمۡ تُؤۡتَوۡہُ فَاحۡذَرُوۡا ؕ وَ مَنۡ یُّرِدِ اللّٰہُ فِتۡنَتَہٗ فَلَنۡ تَمۡلِکَ لَہٗ مِنَ اللّٰہِ شَیۡئًا ؕ اُولٰٓئِکَ الَّذِیۡنَ لَمۡ یُرِدِ اللّٰہُ اَنۡ یُّطَہِّرَ قُلُوۡبَہُمۡ ؕ لَہُمۡ فِی الدُّنۡیَا خِزۡیٌ ۚۖ وَّ لَہُمۡ فِی الۡاٰخِرَۃِ عَذَابٌ عَظِیۡمٌ ﴿۴۲﴾
    O Messenger! let not those grieve thee who hastily fall into disbelief — those who say with their mouths, ‘We believe,’ but their hearts believe not. And among the Jews too are those who would fondly listen to any lie — who listen for conveying it to another people who have not come to thee. They pervert words after their being put in their right places, and say, ‘If you are given this, then accept it, but if you are not given this, then beware!’ And as for him whom Allah desires to try, thou shalt not avail him aught against Allah. These are they whose hearts Allah has not been pleased to purify; they shall have disgrace in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a severe punishment.
    [5:43]سَمّٰعُوۡنَ لِلۡکَذِبِ اَکّٰلُوۡنَ لِلسُّحۡتِ ؕ فَاِنۡ جَآءُوۡکَ فَاحۡکُمۡ بَیۡنَہُمۡ اَوۡ اَعۡرِضۡ عَنۡہُمۡ ۚ وَ اِنۡ تُعۡرِضۡ عَنۡہُمۡ فَلَنۡ یَّضُرُّوۡکَ شَیۡئًا ؕ وَ اِنۡ حَکَمۡتَ فَاحۡکُمۡ بَیۡنَہُمۡ بِالۡقِسۡطِ ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ یُحِبُّ الۡمُقۡسِطِیۡنَ ﴿۴۳﴾
    They are habitual listeners to falsehood, devourers of things forbidden. If, then, they come to thee for judgment, judge between them or turn aside from them. And if thou turn aside from them, they cannot harm thee at all. And if thou judge, judge between them with justice. Surely, Allah loves those who are just.
    [5:44]وَ کَیۡفَ یُحَکِّمُوۡنَکَ وَ عِنۡدَہُمُ التَّوۡرٰٮۃُ فِیۡہَا حُکۡمُ اللّٰہِ ثُمَّ یَتَوَلَّوۡنَ مِنۡۢ بَعۡدِ ذٰلِکَ ؕ وَ مَاۤ اُولٰٓئِکَ بِالۡمُؤۡمِنِیۡنَ ﴿٪۴۴﴾
    And how will they make thee their judge when they have with them the Torah, wherein is Allah’s judgment? Yet, in spite of that they turn their backs; and certainly they will not believe.
    [5:45]اِنَّاۤ اَنۡزَلۡنَا التَّوۡرٰٮۃَ فِیۡہَا ہُدًی وَّ نُوۡرٌ ۚ یَحۡکُمُ بِہَا النَّبِیُّوۡنَ الَّذِیۡنَ اَسۡلَمُوۡا لِلَّذِیۡنَ ہَادُوۡا وَ الرَّبّٰنِیُّوۡنَ وَ الۡاَحۡبَارُ بِمَا اسۡتُحۡفِظُوۡا مِنۡ کِتٰبِ اللّٰہِ وَ کَانُوۡا عَلَیۡہِ شُہَدَآءَ ۚ فَلَا تَخۡشَوُا النَّاسَ وَ اخۡشَوۡنِ وَ لَا تَشۡتَرُوۡا بِاٰیٰتِیۡ ثَمَنًا قَلِیۡلًا ؕ وَ مَنۡ لَّمۡ یَحۡکُمۡ بِمَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ فَاُولٰٓئِکَ ہُمُ الۡکٰفِرُوۡنَ ﴿۴۵﴾
    Surely, We sent down the Torah wherein was guidance and light. By it did the Prophets, who were obedient to Us, judge for the Jews, as did the godly people and those learned in the Law; for they were required to preserve the Book of Allah, and because they were guardians over it. Therefore fear not men but fear Me; and barter not My Signs for a paltry price. And whoso judges not by that which Allah has sent down, these it is who are the disbelievers.
    [5:46]وَ کَتَبۡنَا عَلَیۡہِمۡ فِیۡہَاۤ اَنَّ النَّفۡسَ بِالنَّفۡسِ ۙ وَ الۡعَیۡنَ بِالۡعَیۡنِ وَ الۡاَنۡفَ بِالۡاَنۡفِ وَ الۡاُذُنَ بِالۡاُذُنِ وَ السِّنَّ بِالسِّنِّ ۙ وَ الۡجُرُوۡحَ قِصَاصٌ ؕ فَمَنۡ تَصَدَّقَ بِہٖ فَہُوَ کَفَّارَۃٌ لَّہٗ ؕ وَ مَنۡ لَّمۡ یَحۡکُمۡ بِمَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ فَاُولٰٓئِکَ ہُمُ الظّٰلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۴۶﴾
    And therein We prescribed for them: A life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and for other injuries equitable retaliation. And whoso waives the right thereto, it shall be an expiation for his sins; and whoso judges not by what Allah has sent down, these it is who are wrongdoers.
    [5:47]وَ قَفَّیۡنَا عَلٰۤی اٰثَارِہِمۡ بِعِیۡسَی ابۡنِ مَرۡیَمَ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَیۡنَ یَدَیۡہِ مِنَ التَّوۡرٰٮۃِ ۪ وَ اٰتَیۡنٰہُ الۡاِنۡجِیۡلَ فِیۡہِ ہُدًی وَّ نُوۡرٌ ۙ وَّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَیۡنَ یَدَیۡہِ مِنَ التَّوۡرٰٮۃِ وَ ہُدًی وَّ مَوۡعِظَۃً لِّلۡمُتَّقِیۡنَ ﴿ؕ۴۷﴾
    And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, fulfilling that which was revealed before him in the Torah; and We gave him the Gospel which contained guidance and light, fulfilling that which was revealed before it in the Torah, and a guidance and an admonition for the God-fearing.
    [5:48]وَ لۡیَحۡکُمۡ اَہۡلُ الۡاِنۡجِیۡلِ بِمَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ فِیۡہِ ؕ وَ مَنۡ لَّمۡ یَحۡکُمۡ بِمَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ فَاُولٰٓئِکَ ہُمُ الۡفٰسِقُوۡنَ ﴿۴۸﴾
    And let the People of the Gospel judge according to what Allah has revealed therein, and whoso judges not by what Allah has revealed, these it is who are the rebellious.
    [5:49]وَ اَنۡزَلۡنَاۤ اِلَیۡکَ الۡکِتٰبَ بِالۡحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَیۡنَ یَدَیۡہِ مِنَ الۡکِتٰبِ وَ مُہَیۡمِنًا عَلَیۡہِ فَاحۡکُمۡ بَیۡنَہُمۡ بِمَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ وَ لَا تَتَّبِعۡ اَہۡوَآءَہُمۡ عَمَّا جَآءَکَ مِنَ الۡحَقِّ ؕ لِکُلٍّ جَعَلۡنَا مِنۡکُمۡ شِرۡعَۃً وَّ مِنۡہَاجًا ؕ وَ لَوۡ شَآءَ اللّٰہُ لَجَعَلَکُمۡ اُمَّۃً وَّاحِدَۃً وَّ لٰکِنۡ لِّیَبۡلُوَکُمۡ فِیۡ مَاۤ اٰتٰٮکُمۡ فَاسۡتَبِقُوا الۡخَیۡرٰتِ ؕ اِلَی اللّٰہِ مَرۡجِعُکُمۡ جَمِیۡعًا فَیُنَبِّئُکُمۡ بِمَا کُنۡتُمۡ فِیۡہِ تَخۡتَلِفُوۡنَ ﴿ۙ۴۹﴾
    And We have revealed unto thee the Book comprising the truth and fulfilling that which was revealed before it in the Book, and as a guardian over it. Judge, therefore, between them by what Allah has revealed, and follow not their evil inclinations, turning away from the truth which has come to thee. For each of you We prescribed a clear spiritual Law and a manifest way in secular matters. And if Allah had enforced His will, He would have made you all one people, but He wishes to try you by that which He has given you. Vie, then, with one another in good works. To Allah shall you all return; then will He inform you of that wherein you differed.
    [5:50]وَ اَنِ احۡکُمۡ بَیۡنَہُمۡ بِمَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ وَ لَا تَتَّبِعۡ اَہۡوَآءَہُمۡ وَ احۡذَرۡہُمۡ اَنۡ یَّفۡتِنُوۡکَ عَنۡۢ بَعۡضِ مَاۤ اَنۡزَلَ اللّٰہُ اِلَیۡکَ ؕ فَاِنۡ تَوَلَّوۡا فَاعۡلَمۡ اَنَّمَا یُرِیۡدُ اللّٰہُ اَنۡ یُّصِیۡبَہُمۡ بِبَعۡضِ ذُنُوۡبِہِمۡ ؕ وَ اِنَّ کَثِیۡرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ لَفٰسِقُوۡنَ ﴿۵۰﴾
    And We have revealed the Book to thee bidding thee to judge between them by that which Allah has revealed and not to follow their evil inclinations, and to be on thy guard against them, lest they cause thee to fall into affliction on account of part of what Allah has revealed to thee. But if they turn away, then know that Allah intends to smite them for some of their sins. And indeed a large number of men are disobedient.
    [5:51]اَفَحُکۡمَ الۡجَاہِلِیَّۃِ یَبۡغُوۡنَ ؕ وَ مَنۡ اَحۡسَنُ مِنَ اللّٰہِ حُکۡمًا لِّقَوۡمٍ یُّوۡقِنُوۡنَ ﴿٪۵۱﴾
    Do they then seek the judgment of the days of Ignorance? And who is better than Allah as a Judge for a people who have firm faith?
    The Holy Quran - Chapter: 5: Al-Ma'idah
    Right, please?

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    Please note that in these verses there is a direct Converse of God/Allah/YHVH with Muhammad with the Arabic words "یٰۤاَیُّہَا الرَّسُوۡلُ " translated in English with the words "O Messenger" in another style. Right, please?
     
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    It could be any good name in other people's languaage YHVH, or Paraméshwara or Paramashiva or Ahura Mazda or Brahma or Brahman or Is'ana or etc., to the extent they agree with the attributes of Allah, naturally other languages will have their own names describing the same Being of ONE. Right, please?

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    Friend @TagliatelliMonster , please.
    Did one agree to my argument, please?
    If not, why not, please?

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    Sir,
    I don't get what exactly one means by the sentence colored in magenta by me. Please elaborate one's point of view for me. Right, please?
    One is a friend, please.

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    I am not sure 'exactly' what more you want, but . . .

    "No problem with most of the above except that is not main issue here of your assertions concerning the Book of Certitude from the perspective of the Quran ONLY Islamic perspective."

    We see the Quran and the Baha'i writings including the 'The Book of Certitude'.from a different perspective. You come from the perspective of the Quran ONLY. and my perspective is that the Quran wa the Holy Book for the Age, which ended in 1844. I acknowledge the Quran in the context of the Universal perspective of all the religions of the world in progressive revelation, and you do not share that belief. It is obvious.you do not accept this never ending eternal process of cyclic Revelation.

    This thread is interesting and I can share your quotes form the universal perspective, but only other Muslims can share your interpretation of the passages Most here simply reject them entirely, because the do not accept anything about the Quran.
     
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    Thanks for one's reasonable comments, please.
    So, one agrees , and with one's reasonable argument given in one's post all Bhais should agree with the contents of verses of Quran given in the OP. Please read all the seven verses of Chapter-1 of Quran <The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah >and please see if one agrees with the contents of all seven of them. Is there something in them which one does not agree with? Right, please?

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    "Most here simply reject them entirely"

    Earlier it was not clear to me, but now I think I get one's point of view about the thread.

    If by the expression colored by me in magenta one means people besides the Muslims, I already know that Non-Muslims don't believe in Quran. I am discussing with them as per their understanding separately. My discussion with one will be only as one's being a follower of Bahaullah, one does not need to mention about them. Right, please?

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    Pretty much most Baha'is would agree with your citations within in the context of the Quran within the Age of Islam, which ended in 1844. Islam, like all religions which would be in the context of the universal eternal evolving Creation and Evolution of our physical existence including the history of humanity into the future beyond Islam and the Baha'i Revelation.
     
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    Brahma and other Dharmic deities are not comparable to Allah.

    I think that it is misleading to even use the same word to describe the two kinds of entities.
     
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    . . . only from the human cultural perspective that separates themselves from the rest humanity based on their own paradigm concerning the existence of the 'Source' some call God(s). Of course, some also claim no such thing exists, and others do not care.

    What is God? A three letter word in English, in other languages four letters or more. If the 'Source' some calls God(s) exists. the human egocentric cultural view is irrelevant.
     
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    There is the matter that the defining traditions for those conceptions have very different goals and methods, though.

    Or to put it in another way: they are entirely different, unlike entities that are put side by side out of lack of awareness of their respective sustaining doctrines, nothing more.
     
  14. shunyadragon

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    You just confirmed that .'defining traditions for those conceptions' is a human egocentric cultural view of a 'Source' some call God(s).
     
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    Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad

    "Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say." "

    Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @Muffled in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word "say" and or "قُلۡ" in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
    Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words "اَلَمۡ تَرَ" or "Dost thou" is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And "یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ" or "O thou Prophet" is yet another one:

    [32:12]قُلۡ یَتَوَفّٰٮکُمۡ مَّلَکُ الۡمَوۡتِ الَّذِیۡ وُکِّلَ بِکُمۡ ثُمَّ اِلٰی رَبِّکُمۡ تُرۡجَعُوۡنَ ﴿٪۱۲﴾
    Say, ‘The angel of death that has been put in charge of you will cause you to die; then to your Lord will you be brought back.’
    [32:13]وَ لَوۡ تَرٰۤی اِذِ الۡمُجۡرِمُوۡنَ نَاکِسُوۡا رُءُوۡسِہِمۡ عِنۡدَ رَبِّہِمۡ ؕ رَبَّنَاۤ اَبۡصَرۡنَا وَ سَمِعۡنَا فَارۡجِعۡنَا نَعۡمَلۡ صَالِحًا اِنَّا مُوۡقِنُوۡنَ ﴿۱۳﴾
    If only thou couldst see when the guilty will hang down their heads before their Lord, and say, ‘Our Lord, we have seen and we have heard, so send us back that we may do good works; for now we are convinced.’
    [32:14]وَ لَوۡ شِئۡنَا لَاٰتَیۡنَا کُلَّ نَفۡسٍ ہُدٰٮہَا وَ لٰکِنۡ حَقَّ الۡقَوۡلُ مِنِّیۡ لَاَمۡلَـَٔنَّ جَہَنَّمَ مِنَ الۡجِنَّۃِ وَ النَّاسِ اَجۡمَعِیۡنَ ﴿۱۴﴾
    And if We had enforced Our will, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me has come true: ‘I will fill Hell with Jinn and men all together.’
    [32:15]فَذُوۡقُوۡا بِمَا نَسِیۡتُمۡ لِقَآءَ یَوۡمِکُمۡ ہٰذَا ۚ اِنَّا نَسِیۡنٰکُمۡ وَ ذُوۡقُوۡا عَذَابَ الۡخُلۡدِ بِمَا کُنۡتُمۡ تَعۡمَلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۵﴾
    So taste ye the punishment of your deeds for you forgot the meeting of this day of yours. We too have forgotten you. And taste ye the lasting punishment because of that which you used to do.
    The Holy Quran - Chapter: 32: As-Sajdah

    Right, please?

    1. Is there any such verse in the Torah of the Judaism where G-d has directly addressed Moses, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
    2. Is there any such verse in the Bible of the Christianity where G-d (not Jesus, who Jesus was never god or son of god) has directly addressed Jesus, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
    3. Is there any such verse in Kitab-i-Iqan by Bahaullah (where G-d has directly spoken to Bahaullah, Bahaullah was never a god), there cannot be any verse as G-d did not speak to Bahaullah directly? If there is any, please quote it here. Right, please?
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    • I observe that Quran right from its start to its end is a direct Converse and in a sense a continuous dialogue between G-d and Muhammad providing live guidance, and through Muhammad to his companions, to the other people of his time and the world in large and for all times to come to all humanity. Right, please?
    • "یٰۤاَیُّہَا الرَّسُوۡلُ " translated in English with the words "O Messenger" in another style, please refer my post #243 .
    • "وَ لَوۡ تَرٰۤی "/ "If only thou couldst see" as mentioned in this post.
     
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  16. England my lionheart

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    Quran 71:19 And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out).
    Quran 78:6 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, What does it mean ?
    Quran 15:19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon mountains firm and immovable; and produced therein all kinds of things in due balance.

    This is one of many mistakes in the quran,there are others,it's your book so choose whats ambiguous or true but I would expect a omniscient supreme being to know without ambiguity.
     
  17. LuisDantas

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    "Human egocentric" is the very descriptor of the concept of God.

    It is no good pretending otherwise.
     
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    We certainly should not take the Qur'an at face value, and less yet should we hesitate to know or learn better than it.
     
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    It is odd that you seperate the concept of God in different religions from an egocentric cultural view, but you than propose the above.
     
  20. paarsurrey

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    Sorry, I don't agree with one, Sir.
    Has one studied Quran from cover to cover and while reading Quran naturally observed this "flat earth" concept ?

    Please quote from the Quran translation which was under one's study that mentions the natural word "flat" in it. Right, please?

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