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Quick question

Audie

Veteran Member
Yeah, but the problem is that everyone finding something different and making claims is not the way to read the Bible.
Scripture Interprets Itself consistently:
a) in the verse,
b) in the context, or
c) where it has been used before, and
d) in light of the social-historical contexts in which it was written.

And that must explain 38,000 sects eavh with a different
correct reading, and individuals beyond counting each with
their true version.

I get what you are saying, and in theory, sure.
But also, in theory, no.
In practice, you have your opinion, others have theirs.

Who is deceiving himself? All but you?

Baptists argue if scrip supports total immersion,
or just splash -splash. Who is right?

Oh one more thing. Do you think there was a wotld
wide flood?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
And that must explain 38,000 sects eavh with a different
correct reading, and individuals beyond counting each with
their true version.

I get what you are saying, and in theory, sure.
But also, in theory, no.
In practice, you have your opinion, others have theirs.

Who is deceiving himself? All but you?

Baptists argue if scrip supports total immersion,
or just splash -splash. Who is right?

Okay, I get what you are saying and I can understand your perspective and how it looks from the outside as a confusion of different opinions, theories, etc. In many ways this is exactly the situation, but there is more going on beyond the surface which I think demonstrates just how personal and more powerful Jesus Christ is over human efforts, abilities, or even differences.

The scriptures say Christ is building His church and this church is comprised of individuals from every tribe, people, language, and nation from all over the world. Over the last 2000 years, this is just what He has done/is doing. Individuals who may be differ from one another in many ways have found love and unity in Christ in spite of various differences. For one thing, I believe God created each person uniquely. So His ability to draw all these unique people together while still allowing for differences as all continue to grow (at different rates) in more spiritual maturity, love, and unity demonstrates He is a personal God, relating one to one, while also a great God powerful and capable enough to bring unity in the midst of variety.

Oh one more thing. Do you think there was a wotld
wide flood?


I have already told you...

I would not believe in the biblical God as the Creator of heaven and earth if I did not believe the Bible to be accurate and inerrant (including Genesis, Exodus, Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark, etc.) because this is in keeping with the perfect character of God. God is Holy (Is. 6:3). God is true (Rom. 3:4), God cannot lie (Numbers 23:19;Titus 1:2) and God inspired the writers of the scriptures ( 2 Tim. 3:16), therefore the words are accurate and true. Jesus, Paul, and the other apostles acknowledged the accuracy of the scriptures and referred to the accounts in the OT scriptures, as historical facts and real events.

The entirety of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous judgments endures forever. Psalm 119:160
 
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Audie

Veteran Member
Okay, I get what you are saying and I can understand your perspective and how it looks from the outside as a confusion of different opinions, theories, etc. In many ways this is exactly the situation, but there is more going on beyond the surface which I think demonstrates just how personal and more powerful Jesus Christ is over human efforts, abilities, or even differences.
. The scriptures say Christ is building His church and this church is comprised of individuals from every tribe, people, language, and nation from all over the world. Over the last 2000 years, this is just what He has done/is doing. Individuals who may be differ from one another in many ways have found love and unity in Christ in spite of various differences. For one thing, I believe God created each person uniquely. So His ability to draw all these unique people together while still allowing for differences as all continue to grow (at different rates) in more spiritual maturity, love, and unity demonstrates He is a personal God, relating one to one, while also a great God powerful and capable enough to bring unity in the midst of variety.




I have already told you...

A simple "yes" or "no" takes fewer words.

As for what else you believe about the bible, or other
Christians, you have to understand that for those
with a decent background in biology, geology, physics
etc, or for anyone with one could hope is ordinary.
common sense, the flood is such an obviously fanciful tale,
that it really kills your credibility in anything you say.

Sorry, but seriously. Do try to educate yourself, for
everyone's sake.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
They are not that different at all when it comes to expressing the message about Jesus the Savior, human sin, the cross, forgiveness, salvation , and eternal life.

And even werewolves like to eat breakfast.
We are not so diffrrent on basics!

The POINT you so studiously avoid, is all
the different, god- inspired infallible readings
on things as important as say, whether "god"
is a mass murderer or, the flood story is, like,
just a metaphor.

Do tty to stay on topic.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
And even werewolves like to eat breakfast.
We are not so diffrrent on basics!

The POINT you so studiously avoid, is all
the different, god- inspired infallible readings
on things as important as say, whether "god"
is a mass murderer or, the flood story is, like,
just a metaphor.

Do tty to stay on topic.

A simple "yes" or "no" takes fewer words.

As for what else you believe about the bible, or other
Christians, you have to understand that for those
with a decent background in biology, geology, physics
etc, or for anyone with one could hope is ordinary.
common sense, the flood is such an obviously fanciful tale,
that it really kills your credibility in anything you say.

Sorry, but seriously. Do try to educate yourself, for
everyone's sake.

Your posts are confusing to read, but I don't expect you to comprehend the Bible since you don't know the personal God of the scriptures, nor does it seem you care to.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
They are not that different at all when it comes to expressing the message about Jesus the Savior, human sin, the cross, forgiveness, salvation , and eternal life.

Different enough to schism the Christian church over 40,000 times.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Your posts are confusing to read, but I don't expect you to comprehend the Bible since you don't know the personal God of the scriptures, nor does it seem you care to.

Yes, or no, is confusing? 'Tis you who careth
(OR dareth not) understand, my friend.

My English usage is far better than yours, the fault
for your incomprehendion is no more than half mine.

I can dumb it down if you like...

The flood is bs. If you bdlieve that it is
true, you will believe anything. No matter
how silly.

So sensible people wont trust your judgement.

Got it now?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Different enough to schism the Christian church over 40,000 times.
True, but that is the visible humanly "organized institutional church", while the body of Christ, the actual invisible church is comprised of believers from all over the world within and without those schisms.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
True, but that is the visible humanly "organized institutional church", while the body of Christ, the actual invisible church is comprised of believers from all over the world within and without those schisms.

Invisible church? Never seen it
 

InChrist

Free4ever
Yes, or no, is confusing? 'Tis you who careth
(OR dareth not) understand, my friend.

My English usage is far better than yours, the fault
for your incomprehendion is no more than half mine.

I can dumb it down if you like...

The flood is bs. If you bdlieve that it is
true, you will believe anything. No matter
how silly.

So sensible people wont trust your judgement.

Got it now?
I definitely get your perspective, but I don't have to agree.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
I definitely get your perspective, but I don't have to agree.

Of course not; denial and avoidance is soo
much easiervand more comfy than (shudder)
thought or (shudder) study!!

It is not really that you disagree, as such; you have not
a clue why I say what I say.

It is all good though. The more that Christians
show how ignorant and shallow their beliefs are,
the fewer the recruits you will bring in.
 

Audie

Veteran Member

It says so much that you dont get it!

Would you go to a socialist websire for your unbiased political
info? R J Reynolds for health effects of tobacvo?

Ah but them goddists, they they are always righteous and holy,
never ever would say anything but gods truth?
 

Maximilian

Energetic proclaimer of Jehovah God's Kingdom.
What is the bible's view on being rich?

"“No one can slave for two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stick to the one and despise the other. You cannot slave for God and for Riches." -Matthew 6:24

"Those who are determined to be rich fall into temptation and a snare and many senseless and harmful desires that plunge men into destruction and ruin." -1 Timothy 6:9

So you see, being wealthy in and of itself is not wrong but making money and material wealth your Master is, makes sense?
 

InChrist

Free4ever
It says so much that you dont get it!

Would you go to a socialist websire for your unbiased political
info? R J Reynolds for health effects of tobacvo?

Ah but them goddists, they they are always righteous and holy,
never ever would say anything but gods truth?


I wouldn't post a link to an apologetic website or any other website, for that matter, if I had not already come to the same conclusion myself and was in agreement. I am cautious when it comes to reading and believing "Christian" material.
Christians are NOT always righteous and holy, who never say anything but God's truth. Where did you get that idea?
If that were true we would not daily need Jesus as Savior...

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-9
 
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