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Questions for Satanists

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Spiderman, Sep 5, 2017.

  1. Spiderman

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    Does Satan want us to follow the golden rule? (Treat others as you wish to be treated)

    As long as your Religion preaches that, I have no beef with it.

    Also, do you believe Satan is at war with God? If so, do you think he can win? It seems quite unrealistic to think a creature can defeat it's maker.

    Also, if I sacrifice a child to Satan or kill a Christian, does that please him?
     
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    Satan is called God of this world in Scripture. God must love him to make him God of this world.

    God knew what he was doing before he made Satan and could have stopped it from happening. Satan is God of this world because God handed it over to him.

    God will hand the world over to the Antichrist. The Antichrist and Satan do God's will.

    The people who crucified Christ were doing God's will. By crucifying him they were atoning for sin and glorifying him. ;)
     
  3. Saint Frankenstein

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    Satan is an evil spirit and does not do God's will. "God of this world" just means that humans have a tendency to do what is wrong and listen to the temptations of Satan over God. Satan has free will like all angels and humans do but that doesn't mean God approves of what they do with it.

    As for the crucifixion, I don't think that humans doing that was glorifying God. We were murdering the One Who loves us. But God knew it was going to happen anyway due to human sinfulness and, because God can make good come out of evil, used it as an instrument of our salvation.
     
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  4. SabahTheLoner

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    Most Satanists go by "treat others as they treat you," although this is mostly a LaVeyan concept that not all Satanists adhere to. It's more like advice and we do use logic to assess when to act. Even LaVey stated that no one should be bothered in open territory (aka public space), and when asked to stop something, the best thing to do is stop and/or go away. Similarly one's private quarters and territory should be respected by outsiders. Respect is gained through trust and kind deeds. Having personal enemies is a large waste of time.

    God and Satan are not at war. Satan means different things to different people. But Satan, to most, is a force that simply exists. Satanists rarely ever believe in the biblical Satan. Beliefs tend to be more Pagan or non-theistic in nature even if the individual doesn't label themself as such

    Satan does not want babies dead. He wants children to live into adulthood and animals to be respected, as they too have life and ego but also innocence. As for dead Christians.... Human sacrifice is generally unfavorable. Manslaughter can get someone in trouble. And Satan doesn't seem to be satisfied by illogical choices. Better to just let Christians do their thing and not bother them.
     
  5. Laika

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    First, I think its important to distinguish between Atheistic and Theistic Satanism. Most of the questions you've made here assume Satan is a real person so probably belongs to Theistic Satanism.

    Second, Satanism is highly individualistic and so only has a very loose doctrine. The answers will depend on who you ask. There are quite a few satanists here and you will get different answers from them.

    The golden rule is built on a number of assumptions which are difficult to substantiate, namely that our capacity for empathy is a reliable basis for morality, the belief that all human beings are equal and are "entitled" to respect rather than having to earn it. Turning niceness into a moral obligation is not really conducive to authenticity, and often is a recipe for mindless conformity, submission to abusive authority and a lack of spontaneity. In the worst case scenario, it can paralyse your judgement because you are literally waiting for other people to attack you first.

    I am not saying that a person should go out of their way to hurt other people. That's not really the point. Its more that uncritical acceptance of the golden rule is not necessarily virtuous. People are usually not outright evil, but they are cowardly, hypocritical and deceitful. They don't say what they mean, they lie to people they care about, they do things they don't want to in order to appear "polite" and "reasonable", etc. All of these things add up to an unhealthy mixture of neuroiticism and it is highly debatable that the source of this lies in the pursuit of an absolutist morality which is itself unattainable. Rather than live "morally" people compromise their morality to make up for the fact it doesn't work. What is "good" or "bad" in such a morality is an open invitation to live in a futile and unfulfilled life chasing a spectre of our imagination. If there is something rotten at the heart of Christian Morality that contradicts reality or human behaviour, it is not in my interests (or anyone else's) to go along with it. The Golden Rule included.

    As atheists go I'm more sympathetic to Nietzsche which treats atheism as positive rejection of the christian god and the christian morality. If there is no authority by which to judge us, we must judge our action by "human" standards not imaginary "divine" ones. the unreality of one begs the question about the unreality of the other.

    I'm more sympathetic to Atheistic Satanism. In so far as "Satan" and "God" represent human constructs, I'd say they is a war between them. Satan represents the rebellion against authority (God) that is unnatural and contrary to our authentic nature. (e.g. repression of the sexual instinct). It is unrealistic, but that doesn't mean I or anyone else should conform to a morality which is opposed to their true nature.

    ...but Doctor Frankenstein might have some views on whether a creature can defeat its maker. ;)

    For LeVey Satanism, the ninth rule of the Eleven Satanic rules is "Do not Harm Little Children". However, the Order of the Nine Angels is a Satanist Cult in the UK that encourages human sacrifice. [talking about the ONA is banned in the LHP DIR just so you know.]

    Personally, no. hell no.

    But if Jesus is God- it means Satan got his revenge and put God on the cross.

    God is dead! And We have killed him! :D
     
  6. Liu

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    As a pantheist, I believe our own wills to be manifestations of the will of the divine. Therefore, if it seems and feels right to you to follow the golden rule, then that's Satan's will, so to speak that you do so, if it doesn't, then it's its will that you don't. I don't believe in objective morality, or in any kind of moral obligations.
    However, one needs to keep in mind that one isn't the only manifestation of the divine - whatever you do, you'll reap the consequences.

    I don't believe that there is a creator which would be the same as the God of Abrahamic religions.

    However, depending what you mean by God and Satan, sure, there is a war between them.
    For example, if we say that Satan is our innermost self (not the most uncommon viewpoint among Satanists, and one I can certainly subscribe to), and God is organized religion and group-mentality, then of course there sometimes is a conflict between the two.
    But at the same time, Satan can also be seen as that opposition itself. Is God then the absence of conflict and opposition? Is such an absence possible? It would seem to me that this would require an absence of everything. In my worldview, when there is an absence of everything, the only thing left is consciousness - which however is very commonly equated with Satan.
    In other words, I don't normally call anything God.

    It might be that there are spirits that call themselves Satan and that would enjoy you doing that.
    It might be that doing something like that would be helpful for oneself.
    But I don't actively believe in either.

    That's a reasonable interpretation, if one happens to believe in the bible. I don't.
     
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    I find that many Satanists believe in Yahweh and surprisingly have no problem with him. They just have no devotion to him and doubt the Bible is his word.
     
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    So, now you know the answer to your own question? LOL . . .
     
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    No, either there is no Satan, and if there is He would not be interested in anything to do with Christianity.
    That's too bad . . . my religion promotes 'two eyes for an eye'

    Satan is not at war with the Abrahamic god, because there is no Abrahamic god, and there is no Satan.

    Satanism is not about murder or sacrifice (human or animal). Let me ask you the same question;

    Exodus 29:19-22, Exodus 29:31, Leviticus 7:11-15, Leviticus 9:3-4, Leviticus 23:19, Numbers 6:14 and Numbers 10:10 all promote animal sacrifice.

    There is human sacrifice in the Christian bible as well;
    “Take your son, your only son – yes, Isaac, whom you love so much – and go to the land of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will point out to you.” (Genesis 22:1-18)

    “Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me.” (Exodus 13:2)

    “Note also that any one of his possessions which a man vows as doomed to the Lord, whether it is a human being or an animal, or a hereditary field, shall be neither sold nor ransomed; everything that is thus doomed becomes most sacred to the Lord. All human beings that are doomed lose the right to be redeemed; they must be put to death.”
    (Leviticus 27:28-29)

    "On you he will sacrifice the priests from the pagan shrines who come here to burn incense, and human bones will be burned on you.
    (1 Kings 13:1-2)

    There is much more but this will suffice for now . . .
     
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    I don't know the answer just what I've heard from various Satanists
     
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    Many? I would at least doubt that there's any majority of Satanists that believe in Yahweh.
    There are basically three kinds of Satanists: atheists, monotheists/pantheists, and polytheists/duotheists. And only the last group also includes people who believe in Yahweh, and I'd doubt there are that many in that group who actively believe in him (and not just assume that he might perhaps exist as one among the many other spirits that are).
    The only Satanists that would have much reason to actively believe in Yahweh would be duotheists (or polytheists who group the deities into two groups, e.g. gnostics), and those do have quite a problem with him.
    I have encountered the type of polytheistic Satanist you describe before, but it's really not very common.
     
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    Yes.

    Satan was worshipped as the god creator in ancient times, He pre-dates christ, the bible and abrahamic religions by thousands of years, therefore your question made little sense to me. All animals and children are extremely sacred in my religion and are to be treated with respect and consideration. Satan and His Demons do not force anything on anyone, why would He take pleasure from a xian being killed? No.

    Blood sacrifice is directly in the Bible and is not found in Satanism. Do not project it on us please.
     
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    Oh, a new user. Welcome! Seems like our theologies differ quite a lot, though.
    Especially, I don't believe in that Satan was already worshiped in ancient times. Any argument I encountered for that so far seemed to be based on wrong assumptions.

    I wouldn't say it's not found in Satanism at all.
    I mean, in regards to human sacrifice, if it's done it's likely that those who do it won't tell everyone. So who knows whether it's done at all. Well, there are some LHPers who have committed murders, whether those were done for religious reasons I don't know, but that at least happens. And while your version of Satanism, and other versions, too, may condemn it, that doesn't mean every kind of Satanism would do so, so please don't make such generalizing statements.

    Also, why should we use the bible as an argument for our morals?
     
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    Very encouraging! Thanks :)
     
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