Most ex 'Muslims' retain their Muslim identity. When we say ex Muslims, we mean non practising Muslim.
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Well we don't.
An ex-Muslim can no longer be a Muslim by definition.
In that case, I've never met one in real life.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Admitting so is tantamount to admitting that the complete & perfect religion is not as complete & perfect as some would like to think it is.
Considering Islaam's conversion tactics from its very beginnings, that is a very biased analysis to offer.
Go and sit at the back of any Mosque and make your own observations, or if you're not comfortable going in, observe from outside.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Monotheism isn't a religion; it's a view on deity. That's like saying polytheism or monism are religions. Derp. Although this slip of the tongue is interesting when you consider something @LuisDantas once said...
If someone is ex-Muslim they've left Islam; presumably because they don't believe in the Islamic interpretation of deity.
For a member of a religion which fixates so strongly on identifying its followers by what they believe, this is an extremely confused position to take.
Omg 'Schrodinger's Muslim', you need to patent it as a logical fallacyWe need to start using this.
Schrodinger's ex-Muslim, I think. For according to @MohammadPali they do and don't believe in organised religion at any given moment. And this will be going right up there with the No True Hadith fallacy.
Why do you think that would help? I am no telepath.
You will see young people coming and going of their own accord.
Eh. That might be more convincing had I been given a choice on whether to go through Catholic Eucharist, or if I had very little awareness of Islaam.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
In what sense are they freeloading? What are they getting off their Muslim community for free?
No matter how many times you repeat it, a false claim doesn't stop being false.
No doubt you'll be able to name some.
MohammadPali
Active Member
After Muhammad died one of the first things that happened was people leaving Islam
The reason why those people left was because they were worshipping mohammad pbuh. Not because they had love for the faith. They worshipped him. Just like people worshipped Ali, this is nothing new.
One of the first things the hebrews did when moses went on mount sinai was make a golden calf even with clear evidence from god, even with moses parting the sea, the locusts, the plague, whatever it was the hebrews did what they can to innovate right back to idol worship.
The hebrews on the temple even used to pray like the muslims did, but after the pagans next door started to pray like the hebrews the jews decided to change the way they pray. Another innovation. Its why we firmly reject alot of the old testatment, because they mishandled the teachings of moses, aaron, and jacob, and abraham and many more prophets.
Passport to the West. Paid for interviews, yet ask them about the 4 Quls or the 6 pillar of iman, or Sunnah prayers and they will look at you blankly.
Farhan Quereshi, Ismaaeel Abu Adam, Ergun Caner, Moussa Kone etc etc
Whatever makes you sleep at night.
MohammadPali
Active Member
In the case of christianity, its not judeo -christian, but firm and strong in greco-roman. They didn't receive jews in abundance. They received the gentiles. And why not get gentiles ? The more the merrier, now the gentiles have something in common with the form of worship they already know, polytheism. The father, the son, and this spirit thing, and at the same time this man is his own father, plus the jews hate this man, so its gotta be something better. And it can be an abrahamic faith. We can compete with them, and show them polytheism can dominate. And it did dominate. Don't worry, paul (who never met jesus) is our guide. He says we can be circumcised or not, it doesn't matter.
ALSO, meat sacraficed to idols is okay, no more kodesh, no more halacha, no more kosher,. Lets bless this food to paganism it doesn't matter because paul says so.
ALSO, meat sacraficed to idols is okay, no more kodesh, no more halacha, no more kosher,. Lets bless this food to paganism it doesn't matter because paul says so.
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Notanumber
A Free Man
What do you think of this video?
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
And on the basis of these few you conclude that most ex-Muslims are like this?
The first part where Hirsi Ali is being interviewed is fine. I don't have a problem with that. The second part from 4:56 is hilariously stupid. The speaker is a one-man assembly line for strawmen.
Augustus
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I'd hazard a guess that >0.0000001% of ex-Muslims ever make even $0.01 from their status. For most, there is greater cost than benefit.
Augustus
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Just as well no ex-Christian 'reverts' have made a career on the back of something similar and certainly never milk every last drop out of their status in the game of religious oneupmanship. Were that the case it might be considered somewhat hypocritical.
No of course not, most get on wit their lives. As shown, most of the ones that try to make a name for themselves are fakes.
She's a confirmed liar.
Here she is explaining why Islam is such a threat to America:
She should read her Bible: Mt 7:22 "Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?"
23: Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…