YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
An equally predictable and quite empty response
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Especially given the amount who are closet unbelievers but are too petrified to out. Probably literally hundreds of thousands.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Nonie Darwish has said on a couple of occasions that, from her experience, fully a 1/3 of the Muslim world would abandon Islam if there was no penalty or social backlash for doing so. Granted the number is hard to support but it does raise interesting possibilities.
Cultural Muslims who don't practice the faith? I can name several from my own family, as can I'm sure most Muslims. Living in fear? err no.
Many do live in fear.
After Muhammad died one of the first things that happened was people leaving Islam
I do a fair bit of travelling in my line of work, and often pray the Friday prayer in the nearest Mosque to where I might be. I can tell you every Mosque I've attended has been jam packed, mostly with young, (under 30's) and I don't see their parents accompanying them. They attend of their own accord. The vast majority of Muslims who don't attend Friday prayers, simply get on with their lives and have little to say about Islam, other than they can't be bothered or are too busy to observe the Religion, and most say, they will take it more seriously as they get older. I have no issue with such people, for there is no compulsion in Religion.
I do take issue with freeloaders who claim to be ex 'Muslims' and use their label to attack Islam. Most of these people were never Muslim in the first place, and that is a fact. There have been Hindus and Christians who have pretended to Revert to Islam with the sole aim of becoming popular in Muslim circles before slowing trying to sew the seeds of doubt.
Such people end up exposing their agenda in due time.
At the very least. There are, after all, well over a billion nominal Muslims.
Hard to support, perhaps. But entirely believable, given what is know of Islaam.
Again, that reminds me that you will probably like reading "After the Prophet".After Muhammad died one of the first things that happened was people leaving Islam
Same with all the prophets, most people are like you and want a easy life requiring little or no effort.After Muhammad died one of the first things that happened was people leaving Islam
Moses pbuh wrote, "27 For I know your rebellion and your stubbornness; behold, while I am still alive with you today, you have been rebellious against the Lord; how much more, then, after my death? 28 Assemble to me all the elders of your tribes and your officers, that I may speak these words in their hearing and call the heavens and the earth to witness against them. 29 For I know that after my death you will act corruptly and turn from the way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall you in the latter days, for you will do that which is evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking Him to anger with the work of your hands.” Deuteronomy 31:27-29
After Jesus pbuh was taken up, his followers were sidelined by Paul who abolished the Law requiring prayers, following a kosher diet and keeping the commandments and rituals.
People always look for the easy way in life. It's like flunking School and then expecting to walk into a top job with the highest pay grade. Sorry but life teaches us, you have to work bloody hard in School, then attend University often many miles from home, live with strangers sharing a house, eat tinned food, work 2 jobs to pay the fees, stay up most nights working on assignments. Do this for several years in the hope of getting the grade you need before you even think about applying for a job, and then expect to apply for some 20 or so positions before being offered a Job if you're lucky in a field you didn't want!
People think Heaven will just land in their laps. :/
MohammadPali
Active Member
I've met people who are ex muslims, who are agnostic, don't believe in organized religion. And its not that they don't believe in it, they just don't like to practice it because they feel it holds them down from temptations, like alcohol, sex, drugs, etc. Too many laws and feeling not free, or not feeling sakina, or a religious bliss. I love my religion and im comfortable with it. Some people don't feel that way, who cares. Let them be. If thats how this lady feels I don't care.
But she doesn't do this for free, this is for monetary reasons, whatever topic about islam you want to talk about she will do it, even if its flying carpets.
But she doesn't do this for free, this is for monetary reasons, whatever topic about islam you want to talk about she will do it, even if its flying carpets.
Thank G-d I never went to uni.
Nothing wrong with tinned food!
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
No, it's a belief which isn't the same thing as a fact. You're not in a position to judge whether an ex-Muslim was a true Muslim or not prior to their leaving the faith as you can't see what went on inside their head beyond the obvious consequences of their decision to leave Islam. You have no idea if they honestly believed prior to eventually coming to that decision.
And religious Muslims who come to the realisation that Islam does not actually make sense to them; or are faced with events or facts which rock their previously strong faith in Allah to breaking point. Your family members may not live in fear but there are plenty who (want to) leave Islam who live in fear of retaliation up to and including death at the hands of friends, family or random Muslims on a mission. This is such a problem that groups like the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain and the Central Council of Ex-Muslims (a German group) have been set up to try and help those who wish to leave Islam but risk being harmed for doing so. One of the latter group's foudners, Mina Ahadi, has been placed under personal protection by German police because she's received death threats (from the context, I'm guessing from Muslims).
How many of these cultural Muslims that you know have formally renounced their faith in Islam and have either become atheists or converted to other religions?
This statement is as condescending as it is hilariously inaccurate. If you actually talked to Rival and got to know her you'd realise why. She's been religious from a young age and has studied the Gathas as well as multiple editions of the Abrahamic holy books. I can think of only one other person I know who's more literate in religious texts as Rival - and she's an RMPS teacher.
The notion that Rival is religiously lazy is quite simply absurd.
By the way you're quoting those Deutoronomy verses out of context.
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Or it might have something to do with Islam.
A lot of people have problems with Abrahamic religions broadly and apostatise because of this. I'm not sure why it's so hard to admit.
Unless you warm it up in a plastic container using the Microwave. Releases cancer causing chemicals into the food, and though many people say this is not true, my good friend is a bowel specialist who strongly advises against the practice.
What do you mean like me? I'm a Noahide.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
You might want to take another look at the bit in bold because you've just blatantly contradicted yourself. Ex-Muslims are not locked in a box by Schrodinger.
Not one. But what do you expect? Who would go from Monotheism to another Religion? Most would just remain cultural Muslims, and a few would become agnostic/atheist.
Omg 'Schrodinger's Muslim', you need to patent it as a logical fallacy
We need to start using this.