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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Rival, May 3, 2016.

  1. Rival

    Rival Noachide
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    I have quite a few.

    a) If Islam is God's perfected religion and God sent Jesus as a mere messenger, why is Christianity the world's dominant religion and has been nearly since its inception? Why would Allah do that?

    b) How is the Qur'an perfect and universal if it can only be studied and properly understood in Arabic? Also, why does the oldest copy not match up to any known copy we have today?

    c) Why do all the earliest Mosques face Petra? And why does Petra fit the descriptions given in the Qur'an, not Mecca?

    d) Provide me some non-Islamic evidence that Mecca existed in the time of Muhammad.
    "Surprising as it may seem, not one map before 900 AD even mentions Mecca. This is 300 years after Muhammad’s death" http://www.academia.edu/1776803/The_Mecca_Question

    e) Why couldn't Allah preserve the original message and where were the supposed 24,000 messengers that were sent to everywhere? Evidence?

    f) Why isn't the word 'Muslim' or 'Muhammad' used during the Arabian conquests? Why do these words only appear years after Muhammad?

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Neo Deist

    Neo Deist Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.

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    The answers are obvious to non-Muslims.
     
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  3. Rival

    Rival Noachide
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    It's a very interesting topic though, when you find that Petra fits perfectly.
     
  4. Godobeyer

    Godobeyer the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
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    Jesus (pbuh) is our too .
    I don't think Christianity is the dominant religion , because many of Christians were become athiests or convert to other religions.

    Then where is the problem if Allah did not make all world Muslims ?



    Arabic is origin language of Quran , the languages lexical changing from one to other.

    Quran is one from first copy until now .

    Face to Alaqsa(Jeruslam) not Petra.


    This claim is joke to me.

    24000 messengers !!!
    this is new information to me , from where you bring this info?

    Why Allah doesnot protect the Torah and Gospel ,He who suppose answser this question.

    I don't know much about this .
    I think the word Muhammad exist , the word Islam (submission) is imention in Quran.

    Why did you post your question in Islam DIR :p ?
     
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    a) Maybe because when they (Christians) arrived to American continent they converted people and slaughtered the natives that didn't? It (Christianity) originated from Rome which was a pretty influential empire on huge territory. Difference is when someone is living his/her religion and when for someone it just stands on the paper due to some country's "tradition". Allah doesn't get into everything, if He did then there would be no free will. It's up to us to see what's good and what's not.

    b) Quran should be studied in Arabic because it was revealed in Arabic, same goes with the Torah (Hebrew). You can get the message with translation of Quran, but there are so many important details missing which do open deeper layers of it.

     
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    What is obvious about c, d and f?

    The earliest 'Muslim' inscriptions are from around the Mecca-Taif area, which suggests the area was important.

    The idea that pre-Islamic Mecca was the 'mother city' of the Arabs and the most important site of pilgrimage where all Arabs went every year is not tenable. To go the other way and suggest it didn't even exist is also untenable.

    There were multiple places of pilgrimage sacred to Arabs, there were even multiple Kabaas. Pre-Islamic mecca was almost certainly one of these sites though, although its significance was overstated by later Muslim theologians.

    This is a bit of an assumption.

    If you are interested, early non-muslim sources discussing the qibla are analysed in Hoyland - Seeing Islam as others saw it (p560 onwards 'Sacred direction in Islam')

    (sorry, can't be bothered to summarise :D it's worth reading though and not too long)
     
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  7. FearGod

    FearGod Freedom Of Mind

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    People choose what they wanted to be

    The quran was well preserved and the Arabic language was chosen because it was the best language constructed.

    What the quran says about Petra? which verses you are talking about?


    What the importance of the name Mecca or it be Holland ? why the existence of the name is important for you?


    Did people know writing and recorded all events happened during the era of Adam and Eve?

    Who believes that God is only one and that Muhammed was his servant and messenger is a Muslim.

    You're welcome
     
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  8. Tomorrows_Child

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    I'm pretty sure plenty have already answered your questions but I thought I'd drop by.

    @Rival

    I have put my answers in the quote. Have a read.
     
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  9. Faronator

    Faronator Genetically Engineered

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    And not contribute any answers? lol
     
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  10. Rival

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    Can someone please do research on this? Instead of 'I don't believe you".

    Early Mosques faced Petra. This is a fact confirmed by satellite images of the foundations of the earliest Mosques. Sorry if this bothers you. I said PETRA not Jerusalem,

    What did early Muslims call themselves? Find me an example that isn't 'Ishmaelites' or something similar.

    And lastly, give me ONE piece of evidence that Jesus was in any sense a Muslim.

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    It took nearly 50 years for Mosques to uniformly face Mecca.

    Does Mecca have valleys? No. Then why does Qur'an mention them? Was Mecca a trade hub on any known trade routes? No. Was Petra? Yes.
     
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    From the concept of religion as detailed in the Quran, Islam is in existence since time immemorial. Since the question is about Islam, Jesus also was a prophet of Islam. Quran deems Islam as the Millat Ibrahim.

    About Arabic, thats not a question. From what I know, Koine Greek, Hebrew or Arabic is not properly represented in translations. The Quran tells you to go to an expert if you dont know something. Thus, you can always refer to a learned person. We learn Koine Greek in the university in Bible studies. We learn Arabic and ancient Arabic in university. This is how it is.

    What does little Christ mean? In India some are called Chinna Thurai. Small Boss. Thats the beauty of each language. This is the year 2016, the most widely spoken language chinese, then spanish, then English. One day this could change. You never know. If we survive for another 30,000 years, what language will we speak then?

    Also, which oldest copy of the Quran does not match u to the copies today? Why do you say this?

    All the earliest mosques face Petra? Another question will be is it Jerusalem!

    Also when you say earliest is it during the time of Abraham? Or earlier. When you ask a question you should have a little more knowledge about the teachings of the religion.

    Nevertheless your point is not taken. This idea is only an idea, doesnt have evidence.

    Also, are you confident about the picture you have provided above? Let me ask you again, are you 100% confident about the picture you provided?

    There is no crystal clear historical evidence to the city of Mecca. There are only evidences taken from documents written years later. The Quran also does not refer to a city called Mecca. But there is no evidence to suggest the area was called by another name during that time either.

    What do you mean the original message? You mean the Taurat, Zaboor, Injeel etc? Could there have been more revelations? Yes there could have been. Why didnt he preserve them? Well, how sure are you that they were ever written? Or are you suggesting the core message is not preserved?

    Sending messengers to all nations is cited in the Quran. When you ask for evidence for this no one can provide. Its a theological matter. Not a historical matter. Also, there are many similarities still existing form ancient religions in various regions sometimes isolated and united through expeditions very late times after Muhammed. Thus there could have been earlier messages whos core messages have still survived. And can you provide evidence to state that there could never have been messengers of God sent to any nation outside the middle east or the old arabia?

    Maybe they didnt intend on lodging their names. Maybe whatever existed are lost or not found yet.

    But there are two sheets of Hijazi script Quranic fragments from the 18th and 21st chapter in the University of Birmingham. You should go and see it. It has both names, Islam and Muhammed. Then it was found that france has another section of the same manuscript identified by various methodologies. Yes, the other earliest external document (Not a Quran) to mentioning the prophet Muhammed is from the year 671, around 40 years after he died. Now the first document to appear after Jesus from the bible is the p52 is date 125 - 175 (175 latest) while the Quran fragments are dated latest 645, that's 13 years after Muhammed died. But there is a significant possibility that this existed during Muhammeds lifetime. No other document that ancient, pertaining to a large religious group such as Christianity, Islam, Buddhism has ever been found. None.

    Thats a long topic. But in short, Islam as a theology from a scripture called the Quran is more authentic than any major religion you can think of.

    Cheers.
     
  12. Rival

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    Quran isn't evidence. It's a book of beliefs. I want secular evidences and yes I am 100% sure about the pictures. Google earliest Mosques face Petra, this is not a new thing. And Jesus was not a Muslim and there were no Mosques at the time of Abraham, seriously, this is laughable. Where is your evidence, not belief?
     
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    This is ridiculous. You are only saying this because you are a Muslim. Other religions have scriptures and theologies that work just as well if not better. Judaism and Hinduism come to mind.
     
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    You don't need mosques to be a Muslim, you need faith in God and be submissive to His will.
     
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  15. Rival

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    Present me evidence for a Mosque built 2.000 B.C. Pretty please.
     
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    Me being a Muslim, yes I am. I cant speculate that "If I am not a Muslim" I will still say the same thing because that would be "speculation".

    Why do you say this is ridiculous? Because you are not a Muslim?

    I did not say that other religions have scriptures and theologies that work better, I said most authentic. Judaism and Hinduism. I had a few points in my post right. So, please provide evidence that Judaism and Hinduism are more authentic. I don't have anything against followers of those religions, but when you pose a statement, back it up with evidence please.

    Thank you.
     
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    It is ridiculous because you cannot provide me with any non-Islamic sources for anything you say.
     
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    The Quran isnt evidence for what? In my post above I only stated the oldest Quran manuscript as evidence for the mention of Muhammed and Islam.

    You have still not answered some questions I asked.

    What kind of search is "earliest Mosques face Petra"?

    Oh. When you ask me questions about Islam, I should use shinto sources to reply?

    I dont know if there were any mosques built at the time, I can only say probably. You said earliest mosques, I said Islam according to the Quranic teaching was there since time immemorial, thus I dont know what earliest is.

    Why dont you reply to my whole reply to your OP? Then it wouldn't look like you are cherry picking.
     
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    A religion can not be authentic if it says things that don't match which what supposedly came before, then has to resort to saying "Oh, well...those scriptures are corrupted. We only believe the bit that agrees with ours."
     
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    1. I want historic sources not obviously biased towards any faith.

    2. Qur'an is not evidence for anything. It is a book of law and mythology. Also, the Qur'an never once mentions Muhammad; Muslims put that in there where it merely says "the messenger". This might not even refer to Muhammad for all anyone knows.

    3. Do a Google search for the earliest Mosques facing Petra and you will find that the Mosques from the 7th century face Petra.

    4. There were no Mosques built prior to Islam. All the historic data tells us this. It is a basic fact.

    I don't want Islam according to Qur'an, I want Islam according to history.
     
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