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Questions for Christians and co: Witchcraft real?
- Thread starter dgirl1986
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Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
Would you please back up this statement with some proof?
Would you say the magic snake fight that happened in the Pharaoh's palace was an illusion?
nazz
Doubting Thomas
I have no way of verifying if such an event even happened
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
So your original answer to the OP cannot hold. The Bible believes that magic is real.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
The question posed in the OP was "do you think it's real". I answered that.
Ultimatum
Classical Liberal
Well, to be fair, it was written in a matter-of-fact way. At least, it seemed this way to me.
nazz
Doubting Thomas
The way it has been explained to me by witches is that it is not about magic. At least not the kind that modern illusionists pretend to do. Do you disagree?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
It is a form of spiritism. It is a means of using the power of the spirits to achieve whatever goal the practicer may have...whether it be a good or bad goal.
I think it is real.
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
King Saul was wanting to make the people feel good and himself too, by taking spoils of war when he wasn't meant to.
When Adam brought sin into the world he also made a rebellious nature that everyone follows to this day.
This nature with its mind gives the ability to place emphasis on words that are heard and then the mind of another person produces feelings in the body with a verbal response.
These mind connections are mostly subconscious and very fast. They are learned from birth and the mind is programed to get its own way.
Actual witchcraft that is seen develops skills to get passed the natural learned defenses everyone has. Everyone is mostly equally empowered but can be compromised if unwell or tired or if too much time is spent listening to the wrong person.
Being educated by an atheist is an example and listening to a preacher who is impure another. These people can lodge things in the subconscious.
The nature of Jesus must be found and this extracts a person out of the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of God and immortality is possible. The mind is changed and is not connected in the subconscious interplay of a biological creature.
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
The witches I have spoken to and heard explanations from have been pagan witches. They refer to it as magic but not in a supernatural sense. Their consistent message was that witchcraft is a manipulation of energy in order to bring about change in the natural world and that they tools they use help them focus this energy on a specific goal.
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
What has lead to you to believe it is real? And do you think it is wrong?
nazz
Doubting Thomas
Yes, that is basically what I have been told.
dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
When I google the definition of witchcraft it seems to be defined as a synonym to magic. Whether magic is real or not depends on the context. If you mean supernatural manipulation of forces / energies than I am going to have to go with a no. I have never seen the world impacted in measurable ways purely by supernatural methods of magic. Even when these practices correlate to success the success is due to the individual's real world actions. Magic, as the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will, certainly does exist, and everyone practices it every day.
Are you saying Moses and the serpent staff was an illusion, or that modern magic is illusion?
The serpent staff was not magic, god himself did it.
There is new age magic and magic itself, unperverted and untouched. New age magic is likely what we are discussing since you seem to specifically use the term "witchcraft" and friends who call themselves witches. This indeed does take a more literal view of ancient myth when it comes to magic. However, this is certainly not "modern magic", it is neo-revival magic. Modern magic is the process of impacting the objective world according to your (true) will.
This idea of manipulating energy is, itself, supernatural, as energy is either a part of the natural universe or some woo-ey, new age concept identical to "spiritual" or "divine" force. What magic does effect is the mind and, in relation, the world around them. There is no manipulating of mystical energy, just manipulation on the mind and self.
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Magic is not only not some new age woo idea, it is actually a scientific practice. According to the Abrahamic religions, practicing magic probably is indeed wrong, as bringing about your own change, even your own salvation, eliminates the need for God and his rules.
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dgirl1986
Big Queer Chesticles!
Scientific practice? As in studied by science? Or methodological?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
That isn't the point. The narrative is in the Bible, so it's either 'real' magic, or an illusion, or we don't know. If you are saying these are illusions, then scripture should back your statement.