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Questions about Unitarian Chrisitianity

Huey09

He who struggles with God
Exactly with it says in the title. If anyone can answer some or all of these and/or give me some books or links to read that would be appreciated.

1.) If Unitarian Christians believe that Jesus isn't the literal son of God what is he?
2.)What is the interpretation of Jesus teaching's and how should he be followed?
3.) Was there a virgin birth and what is the status of Mary?
4.) How is the bible held? Literal? Symbolic? A bit of both or neither?
5.) How are other religions regarded by the Unitarian Christian faith?
 

eelpc

New Member
Exactly with it says in the title. If anyone can answer some or all of these and/or give me some books or links to read that would be appreciated.

1.) If Unitarian Christians believe that Jesus isn't the literal son of God what is he?
2.)What is the interpretation of Jesus teaching's and how should he be followed?
3.) Was there a virgin birth and what is the status of Mary?
4.) How is the bible held? Literal? Symbolic? A bit of both or neither?
5.) How are other religions regarded by the Unitarian Christian faith?
There was a Jewish girl, Mary, who was married to Joseph. There was a holy ghost who came to Joseph and told him he couldn't have sex with her. He was sent by god to impregnate her and after she gave birth he could then have sex with his wife. Behold, Joseph agreed to this and Mary became pregnant. About nine months later they were traveling to Bethlehem and the inn where they stopped didn't have room so they stayed in the barn. The Holy Ghost knew that this was going to happen because he had gone to three wise men from afar and told them to get on their camels and get to the Inn on the 25th of December and to bring gifts for the new child that was going to be born there. They traveled for long times to arrive there. Looks like to me if the Holy Ghost knew he was to be born there he would have made reservations at the inn for Joseph and Mary. I mean this Holy Ghost was smart and empowered so it wouldn’t have been a big deal to do that. Anyhow, the child was born much in the same fashion as the Old Testament had referred to in several other instances and then nothing was heard of the child for about 30 years and he came forward and revealed himself as the son of God. Just like several others in the Old Testament had done he also was able to heal the sick, make wine from water, walk on water and do miracles like several different ones had done in the earlier ages. We really wouldn't have known anything about this if it hadn't been from the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that came about several hundred years after he died. I think the real miracle was how the authors of these books were able to discover this with no TV, Radio, Printing presses, computers, or anything other that word of mouth spread out over hundreds of years. A lot of their writings were in biblical babblings and hard to interpret so after hundreds of years, King James of England commissioned numerous scholars of his choosing to re-write the New Testament and make changes that could fit the times and be more understandable. This is the bible we now are ask to accept and the written word of God.
 

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Exactly with it says in the title. If anyone can answer some or all of these and/or give me some books or links to read that would be appreciated.

1.) If Unitarian Christians believe that Jesus isn't the literal son of God what is he?
2.)What is the interpretation of Jesus teaching's and how should he be followed?
3.) Was there a virgin birth and what is the status of Mary?
4.) How is the bible held? Literal? Symbolic? A bit of both or neither?
5.) How are other religions regarded by the Unitarian Christian faith?

Unitarians are more of a liberal stance.

1. They believe that Jesus was a great man and possibly a divine being but not God.
2. Jesus's teachings are the way, as such they follow the teachings to their bare bones of loving God and Loving one another (allegedly).
3. Not sure on the virgin birth.
4. The bible is written by man and thus prone to error because even if divinely inspired it was still mortals writing it.
5. They believe that no religion has a monopoly on the Holy Spirit and Theological Truth.
 

Huey09

He who struggles with God
Unitarians are more of a liberal stance.

1. They believe that Jesus was a great man and possibly a divine being but not God.
2. Jesus's teachings are the way, as such they follow the teachings to their bare bones of loving God and Loving one another (allegedly).
3. Not sure on the virgin birth.
4. The bible is written by man and thus prone to error because even if divinely inspired it was still mortals writing it.
5. They believe that no religion has a monopoly on the Holy Spirit and Theological Truth.
thank you so much:D
 

Huey09

He who struggles with God
There was a Jewish girl, Mary, who was married to Joseph. There was a holy ghost who came to Joseph and told him he couldn't have sex with her. He was sent by god to impregnate her and after she gave birth he could then have sex with his wife. Behold, Joseph agreed to this and Mary became pregnant. About nine months later they were traveling to Bethlehem and the inn where they stopped didn't have room so they stayed in the barn. The Holy Ghost knew that this was going to happen because he had gone to three wise men from afar and told them to get on their camels and get to the Inn on the 25th of December and to bring gifts for the new child that was going to be born there. They traveled for long times to arrive there. Looks like to me if the Holy Ghost knew he was to be born there he would have made reservations at the inn for Joseph and Mary. I mean this Holy Ghost was smart and empowered so it wouldn’t have been a big deal to do that. Anyhow, the child was born much in the same fashion as the Old Testament had referred to in several other instances and then nothing was heard of the child for about 30 years and he came forward and revealed himself as the son of God. Just like several others in the Old Testament had done he also was able to heal the sick, make wine from water, walk on water and do miracles like several different ones had done in the earlier ages. We really wouldn't have known anything about this if it hadn't been from the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John that came about several hundred years after he died. I think the real miracle was how the authors of these books were able to discover this with no TV, Radio, Printing presses, computers, or anything other that word of mouth spread out over hundreds of years. A lot of their writings were in biblical babblings and hard to interpret so after hundreds of years, King James of England commissioned numerous scholars of his choosing to re-write the New Testament and make changes that could fit the times and be more understandable. This is the bible we now are ask to accept and the written word of God.
that sounds too close to the regular Trinitarian ideology. This is about Unitarian Christianity not the mainstream version...and from most research I have done Jesus wasn't born in December.
 

Huey09

He who struggles with God
I have just read that some UC believe that jesus was essentially adopted by God as a son. In almost the way Moses was known as "God's Friend" Or King David as said by God "A man after my own heart" Anyone care to comment ?
 

Karl R

Active Member
Sigh, guess this is not really a faith people know about:facepalm:
I would say that it's not an active forum among the small number of people who do know about it.

1.) If Unitarian Christians believe that Jesus isn't the literal son of God what is he?
2.)What is the interpretation of Jesus teaching's and how should he be followed?
3.) Was there a virgin birth and what is the status of Mary?
4.) How is the bible held? Literal? Symbolic? A bit of both or neither?
5.) How are other religions regarded by the Unitarian Christian faith?

1.) Different unitarians have different views. Some see him as a prophet, a divine messenger, or a very wise teacher.

Other unitarians dispute the trinitarian doctrine because they see no distinction between father/son/spirit.

To give an analogy: I am my parents' son. I am my wife's husband. I am my boss' employee. However, Karl the son is always the same as Karl the husband and Karl the employee. I am not three (or more) persons. I am one person who can be described in multiple ways depending on the context.

2.) Jesus' teaching can be summarized by the great commandment: "Love god. Love others as you love yourself." Everything else is commentary which explains what that means. If you love others like you love yourself, you will treat others in the same way you would want them to treat you. The love chapter (1 Corinthians 13:1-13) gives additional explanation what "love" means.

The rest of the bible adds additional context to this teaching, but the great commandment is the core of what Jesus taught.

3.) In general, we don't care whether there was a virgin birth or what Mary's status was. Jesus' message is true because it's true.

4.) Even if the bible is inspired by god, it was written by men and translated by men/women. Furthermore, some of it appears to be mythology. Other portions seem to be analogies meant as teaching tools. The bible isn't intended to be literally true. It's intended to teach us the true way to live our lives. The truth is not in the words that are written down. The truth is in the lesson those words are trying to convey.

5.) In general, they are other paths seeking the same goal.

I have just read that some UC believe that jesus was essentially adopted by God as a son. In almost the way Moses was known as "God's Friend" Or King David as said by God "A man after my own heart" Anyone care to comment ?
The relationship between god and Jesus is complex. The relationship between god and Moses is complex. The relationship between god and David is complex.

The descriptions "son", "adopted", "friend" and "man after god's heart" represent a person's imperfect attempt to explain these complex relationships in a way which people might be able to relate to.
 

Huey09

He who struggles with God
Karl thanks for answering many of my questions but I had a few more to ask.
1.) I thought unitarian christians believe jesus to be human not divine in anyway, also what would be a good bible for unitarian christians. I heard the Jefferson bible is sometimes used.
 

Karl R

Active Member
You're welcome. You're trying to understand what other people believe, which is something I always try to encourage.

1.) I thought unitarian christians believe jesus to be human not divine in anyway, also what would be a good bible for unitarian christians. I heard the Jefferson bible is sometimes used.
1a. Most unitarian christians would say that Jesus was human, and not necessarily any more divine than Moses, Elijah, Peter, Paul or any other person who dedicated their life to god. Jesus is definitely seen as a person whose teachings are held in high regard.

Unitarians reject the doctrine of the trinity (by definition). But some still see Jesus as containing divinity within him ... but just not being an equal to god.

However, unitarians do not have creeds (like the apostolic or nicene creeds). We recognize that different unitarians hold different beliefs. It isn't essential to believe dozens of different things in order to be a unitarian. It certainly is not essential to hold specific, metaphysical beliefs about the nature of Jesus in order to be a christian. We also encourage tolerance in a wide range of beliefs. We don't all have to agree on the same definition of "unitarian."

Therefore, you're going to have a hard time finding a unitarian who will tell you, "This is what unitarians believe." We are much more comfortable discussing our own individual beliefs, while recognizing that other unitarians may not agree with us.

1b.) All bibles are unitarian. There is no mention of the trinity in the canonical scriptures. The doctrine of the trinity is supported by a handful of scriptures, which are widely separated, and which have to be heavily interpreted before you can conclude that a trinity exists. (That doesn't mean that the doctrine of the trinity is incorrect, but it does mean that it's rather poorly supported.)

In my opinion, the holy spirit is not separate from, independent of and equal to god. Claiming so would be like someone claiming that my arm is separate from, independent of and equal to me. (Obviously, my arm is part of, dependent upon and subordinate to me.) Try finding any scripture which refutes my opinion.

There is at least a little scriptural basis for the divine nature of Jesus ("I and my father are one,") but the same scripture could be interpreted as pantheistic.

A pantheistic perspective:
Each person is part of the universe. The universe is part of god. Therefore, each person is part of god. Because of that we can say, each person is one with god, and god is one with each person.


Other parts of the new testament appear to contradict the doctrine of the trinity. Look at what Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane:
“O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”

Does that sound like a statement made between two equal persons in a triune godhead? Jesus' statement sounds like a subordinate addressing a superior.

Instead of blindly accepting the doctrine of the trinity, I encourage people to look at the passages which appear to support it, to look at the passages which appear to refute it, and then make their own decision about what they believe.

Regarding bibles:
I personally prefer any bible which provides a great deal of additional commentary and historical context. While Jesus' teachings have intrinsic value, we gain far more from them if we understand them within their historical context. Since I do not have the time to become a historian of the biblical period, I appreciate having that provided alongside the actual text.

The Jeffersonian Bible:
This bible is a product of Thomas Jefferson's rationalist beliefs. It contains the life and teachings of Jesus. None of Jesus' miracles are mentioned. Most other supernatural elements are excluded.

This is a good bible for deists, rationalists, and any others who dislike miracles or other supernatural elements of the bible. It is a poor bible for people who believe in miracles, people who believe that the miracles were allegorical, but provide important lessons, or people who want to read more of the bible than just excerpts from three of the gospels.

There are unitarians who don't believe in miracles, and there are ones who do. There are put off by stories of miracles, and those who seek deeper meaning in them.

For any unitarian (and anyone else), I would recommend the bible they can learn the most from. But that won't be the same bible for everyone.
 
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