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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Moon, Sep 29, 2022.

  1. Moon

    Moon Well-Known Member

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    what are they chosen for? Jewish people that is.
     
  2. nPeace

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    Chosen by whom?
     
  3. Brian2

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    Chosen to be witnesses of God. To be His people on earth who witness to God having revealed Himself to humanity, to receive God's word to humanity, to be the people from whom the saviour of all humanity would come.
     
  4. Sedim Haba

    Sedim Haba Astra inclinant, sed non obligant

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    Now? Suffering.
     
  5. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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  6. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    You feel the Jewish people as a whole are now suffering?
     
  7. Kenny

    Kenny Face to face with my Father
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    Originally to be priests to the world. IMU
     
  8. Moon

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    Not sure what all that means.
     
  9. pearl

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    From the site
    However, despite similarity we know Hashem loves the Jewish people as "His firstborn son" and has high expectations from us to be a "light unto the nations". If we are similar to non-Jews how does this make sense to have such favor and such high expectations from Jews?

    And remain chosen,

    "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable" (Romans 11:29).

    Abraham, father of the people of Israel, father of faith, thus becomes the source of blessing, for in him "all the families of the earth shall call themselves blessed " (Genesis 12:3). The task of the Chosen People is, therefore, to make a gift of their God-- the one true God-- to every other people; in reality, as Christians we are the inheritors of their faith in the one God. Our gratitude, therefore, must be extended to our Jewish brothers and sisters who, despite the hardships of their own history, have held on to faith in this God right up to the present, and who witness to it in the sight of those peoples who, lacking knowledge of the one God, "dwell in darkness and in the shadow of death" (Luke 1:79).
     
  10. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    What site? I'm pretty sure I didn't reference something that contains your quote.
     
  11. Muffled

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    I believe they are chosen to be God's people.
     
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    OK, I see the problem. The second statement simply states Catholic teaching, Jews continue to be a 'Chosen' people.
     
  14. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    Okay. So what's your question/comment?
     
  15. Brian2

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    Brian2 said: Chosen to be witnesses of God. To be His people on earth who witness to God having revealed Himself to humanity, to receive God's word to humanity, to be the people from whom the saviour of all humanity would come.

    They are chosen for to be God's special people on earth who have in their history, evidence of God communicating with humans and whose scriptures tell us what God wants from us and the history of the world and the meaning of life. Their scriptures tell us that we need a saviour and that God will send one and give us prophecies to recognise Him when He comes. (or something like that)
     
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    After they killed Jesus?
    "I know that you are descendants of Abraham, and yet you want to kill me - my word has not entered you. I tell you what I have seen from my Father, and you do what you have heard from your father" (John 8:38).
    Further, in verse 44, Jesus explicitly says who the father of these Jews is.
    Some Jews accepted Jesus, but this was an insignificant part.
     
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    dybmh Terminal Optimist

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    Antisemitism Uncovered: Myth – Jews Killed Jesus

    "The myth that Jews collectively murdered Jesus, also referred to as “deicide,” has been used to justify violence against Jews for centuries. Historians as well as Christian leaders have agreed that the claim is baseless."
     
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  18. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Sometimes I wonder if people are simply chosen just to toot their own horn.
     
  19. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I wasn't there. I wasn't even in the neighborhood.
     
  20. Brian2

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    Yes the Jewish leaders in Jesus day had Jesus killed unjustly and then told lies about His resurrection from the dead to turn others away from Jesus.
    But the Jews as a people are still the chosen of God and loved by God and are still under the Covenants in the OT and will be saved by Him when Jesus returns, and they will realise that they killed their Messiah.
     
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