@Jayhawker Soule, this was asked in a thread that was moved to a non-debate section but I have a question for you.....
Who is this talking about?
According to the Tanakh Isaiah 7:14 reads...
"Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel. ידלָ֠כֵן יִתֵּ֨ן אֲדֹנָ֥י ה֛וּא לָכֶ֖ם א֑וֹת הִנֵּ֣ה הָֽעַלְמָ֗ה הָרָה֙ וְיֹלֶ֣דֶת בֵּ֔ן וְקָרָ֥את שְׁמ֖וֹ עִמָּ֥נוּ אֵֽל:
What are we missing? Who is the child, and who is this 'young woman' who gave birth to him? I find nothing here to suggest that this is not a prophesy about the future like the rest of Isaiah's writings. The sign was that a young woman is with child. Why pick this one verse and ignore the rest of what Isaiah said?
God used Isaiah and his sons as prophetic ‘signs and miracles’ to show that the alliance of Syria and Israel against Judah would fail, but that in time, Judah would go into captivity with only a remnant returning. Was that not prophetic of the future?
Wasn't Isaiah told....
"Now, come write it on a tablet with them, and on a book engrave it, and it shall be for the last day, forever to eternity. חעַתָּ֗ה בּ֣וֹא כָתְבָ֥הּ עַל־ל֛וּחַ אִתָּ֖ם וְעַל־סֵ֣פֶר חֻקָּ֑הּ וּתְהִי֙ לְי֣וֹם אַֽחֲר֔וֹן לָעַ֖ד עַד־עוֹלָֽם"
The sign was....'a maiden will become pregnant and bear a son'. His name? Immanuel (meaning, “With Us Is God”).
So in the rest of his prophesy God is saying through Isaiah......let the combined enemies against Judah take note! “Gird yourselves, and be broken!”
There will be hard times, but then a great light will shine upon God’s people. "For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." (Isaiah 9:5 Tanakh) Was this not a Messianic prophesy? Was there any timeline stated? Isn't this the same child?
Isaiah 9:6 says...."To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this."
If this was not a future prophesy, then where is the "peace without end"?....where is the "justice and righteousness from now and to eternity"? Israel has not seen this yet and neither has any other nation.....so how can you say that this is not about the Messiah....that the young maiden was Mary and that she gave birth to the one whom we believe is Jesus the Christ? He fulfilled the prophesies, but he did not fulfill Jewish expectation....does that make him a fraud?
No mention is made about when we could expect to see the fulfillment of these things, which we know now, were thousands of years into the future. God does not operate in earth time....but he does tell us his plans in connection with his people, and the "son" that he would send to bring peace to the earth.
Who is this talking about?
According to the Tanakh Isaiah 7:14 reads...
"Therefore, the Lord, of His own, shall give you a sign; behold, the young woman is with child, and she shall bear a son, and she shall call his name Immanuel. ידלָ֠כֵן יִתֵּ֨ן אֲדֹנָ֥י ה֛וּא לָכֶ֖ם א֑וֹת הִנֵּ֣ה הָֽעַלְמָ֗ה הָרָה֙ וְיֹלֶ֣דֶת בֵּ֔ן וְקָרָ֥את שְׁמ֖וֹ עִמָּ֥נוּ אֵֽל:
What are we missing? Who is the child, and who is this 'young woman' who gave birth to him? I find nothing here to suggest that this is not a prophesy about the future like the rest of Isaiah's writings. The sign was that a young woman is with child. Why pick this one verse and ignore the rest of what Isaiah said?
God used Isaiah and his sons as prophetic ‘signs and miracles’ to show that the alliance of Syria and Israel against Judah would fail, but that in time, Judah would go into captivity with only a remnant returning. Was that not prophetic of the future?
Wasn't Isaiah told....
"Now, come write it on a tablet with them, and on a book engrave it, and it shall be for the last day, forever to eternity. חעַתָּ֗ה בּ֣וֹא כָתְבָ֥הּ עַל־ל֛וּחַ אִתָּ֖ם וְעַל־סֵ֣פֶר חֻקָּ֑הּ וּתְהִי֙ לְי֣וֹם אַֽחֲר֔וֹן לָעַ֖ד עַד־עוֹלָֽם"
The sign was....'a maiden will become pregnant and bear a son'. His name? Immanuel (meaning, “With Us Is God”).
So in the rest of his prophesy God is saying through Isaiah......let the combined enemies against Judah take note! “Gird yourselves, and be broken!”
There will be hard times, but then a great light will shine upon God’s people. "For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." (Isaiah 9:5 Tanakh) Was this not a Messianic prophesy? Was there any timeline stated? Isn't this the same child?
Isaiah 9:6 says...."To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this."
If this was not a future prophesy, then where is the "peace without end"?....where is the "justice and righteousness from now and to eternity"? Israel has not seen this yet and neither has any other nation.....so how can you say that this is not about the Messiah....that the young maiden was Mary and that she gave birth to the one whom we believe is Jesus the Christ? He fulfilled the prophesies, but he did not fulfill Jewish expectation....does that make him a fraud?
No mention is made about when we could expect to see the fulfillment of these things, which we know now, were thousands of years into the future. God does not operate in earth time....but he does tell us his plans in connection with his people, and the "son" that he would send to bring peace to the earth.
