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Featured Question to Creationists: What's the Mechanism?

Discussion in 'Evolution Vs. Creationism' started by Heyo, Jul 19, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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    How does catholicism view creationism? (I haven't actually thought about it when I practiced)
     
  2. viole

    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    All who believe that the existing is an act of creation, are creationists. By definition. Whether they believe the Universe is 6000 years old and God created man from dust, or are more sophisticated about that, there is no real difference. The mindset is the same.

    Actually, YEC creationists are more intellectually honest. At least, they safeguard their scriptures, instead of destroying both them and science.

    Ciao

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  3. firedragon

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    What scripture have you mastered?
     
  4. viole

    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    The Christian one. Do you have another one in mind?

    Show it to me. And we will submit it to rational analysis. Can't wait.

    So, what have you got?

    Ciao

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  5. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it is a theory and like any any scientific theory it is open to change in event of new data. And, as this OP has shown so far, it is not only the best theory but the only one.
    It seems as nobody here is willing or able to bring up any alternative.
     
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    firedragon Veteran Member

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    You mean the Bible you have mastered?
     
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    You spoke of an only theory in the OP?
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    Heyo Well-Known Member

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    I'm asking for an alternative and nothing comes up.
    I think if that stays so, we will be able to formulate a declaration that can preclude any further thread in this forum saying that the ToE is the best (and only) current theory to explain life's diversity on earth (and send anyone questioning that back to this OP).
    That will be my service to the community.
     
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    Alternative to what? You mean an alternative to the Darwinian theory? You have not mentioned anything of the sort in the OP and that's why I am clarifying. If you are looking for an alternative to the Darwinian theory, there could be many alternatives.

    There is a belief called raelism. Im sure you know of it. UFO's brought us here.

    But still, even to that you can apply the darwinian theory. You can apply any theory actually.
     
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    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    Whatever, you can choose.
    So, what have you got? or are you chickening out again?

    ciao

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  12. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    It has been evolving through time.
     
  13. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    I was just asking which scripture you had mastered and you said you had mastered the bible. So I was just confirming.

    How about the Hindu scripture? Have you mastered them? Or have you studied them?
     
  14. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Meaning must play a significant role in the formation of creatures. So an added dimension of meaning and relationship. A non living intelligence evolves since before the beginning. There has to be a more fundamental, unconditioned reality then our own. This source reality contains intelligence from a source unknown. Intelligence may be a latent potential that is a brute fact.

    I don't require intelligence to be of mind, but it exists for the purposes of life.
     
  15. viole

    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    Ok, show me their creational history. And let’s check it out.

    ciao

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    viole Ontological Naturalist
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    So, you agree that we, and pigs, have a common ancestor?

    ciao

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    That is a valid question, but ID could in principle be a valid theory even if he don’t know what mechanism was used.

    For example we don’t need a mechanism in order to conclude that the pyramids where made by the Egyptians, you could say that you have no idea what mechanism was used, and still conclude that the Egyptians did it.

    The same applies to evolution, nobody knows which mechanisms where needed to evolve the eye, but you can still conclude that modern eyes evolved from simpler organs.
     
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    You made such a general statement I was expecting you to know all of that very well.
     
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    Kooky Freedom from Sanity

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    A wave requires a medium, does it not?
    So what was the medium of the "wave function" that brought existence into existence?
     
  20. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Shrugs. I tried.

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