Question to Creationists: What's the Mechanism?

[nPeace]

Many books of fiction are historically accurate

Not many. Very very few are... if any at all.
Many books of fiction contain geographical locations. They are not necessarily historically accurate.
However, that argument is, not a very reasonable one, since the fact that there is fiction does not mean there are no facts.
Picking and choosing what we want to be fiction, does not make it such.

Well, not really. The first page alone contains tons of ridiculous scientific mistakes. Actually, I wonder what motivates scientifically literate people to go to page 2.

To the superficial reader, yes.
Are we just going to go in circles now?

It is not. The main prophecy that characterises Christianity, the advent of the Messiah, is not recognised as a fulfilment by other readers of the same prophecy. The Jews. So much for reliability.

Ciao

- viole

Interestingly, the prophecies in the same books the Jews accept, made clear that the Jews would reject that same prophetic message and Messiah. Prophecy fulfilled. The prophecy was reliable. It happened, exactly as foretold.

 

[metis]

That really depends on how one may interpret certain passages. All too often there's a lot of what I call "theological gymnastics" that's done to try and mesh "Round A" with "Square B".

 

[viole]

ot many. Very very few are... if any at all.
Many books of fiction contain geographical locations. They are not necessarily historically accurate.
However, that argument is, not a very reasonable one, since the fact that there is fiction does not mean there are no facts.
Picking and choosing what we want to be fiction, does not make it such.

It just shows thelogical fallacy. Historically accuracy does not entail it is not fiction. It would be very easy for me to write a book of fiction that perfectly represents the current state of affairs in Europe in the year 2021.

To the superficial reader, yes.
Are we just going to go in circles now?

Well, what scientific accuracy then? If something which is obviously wrong is marked as superficial, or symbolic, then it is a truism that every book is scientific accurate. Including Pinocchio. Ergo, it provides no evidence of a divine origin (nor of the Blue Fairy).

Interestingly, the prophecies in the same books the Jews accept, made clear that the Jews would reject that same prophetic message and Messiah. Prophecy fulfilled. The prophecy was reliable. It happened, exactly as foretold.

LOL. Then it is even easier. I verily say to you: tomorrow a stealth starship full of aliens will land on the hidden face of the moon, and then will leave. Proving the existence of aliens visiting the solar system. And I foretell that no other human will find that out.

Look how easy it is to be a prophet, and prove the existence of E.T. ! Two prophecies fulfilled in one day.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Etritonakin]

That is not what science says. Hydrogen, which is one of the elements that compose DNA, did originate in the Big Bang. However, the other elements of DNA (i.e. carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and phosphorus) were produced by nuclear fusion in stellar interiors, like most of the elements that do not form part of DNA.

Not directly, but where there is no decision there is inevitability -or science wouldn't work.
After decision, there is also inevitability -until decision is applied again.

 

[Etritonakin]

Yep. There is no place for creativity in evolution.

Which example? Do you mean our ability to change DNA based on our understanding of it?

Yes -and a God who created everything would have been most active before the singularity/big bang.

DNA-based evolution would be subject to the decisions of any being capable of affecting it -whether they understand or not -but knowledge does allow for purposefully guiding evolution.

Evolution in its broadest sense naturally leads to creativity -as it has done so one way or another.
There is no reason why "everything" could not have developed creativity... memory, self-awareness, etc. -and certain things require that such precede them.
Complex computers are based on very simple logic gates and similar. -and their arrangement.
A natural "processor" essentially looking in a mirror, as it were -along with the ability to mirror reality in memory and apply decision -altering that which was otherwise inevitable -would allow for unfathomably more than what was possible before its development.

In its broadest sense, evolution would apply more to a creator than ourselves.
An original would have evolved from greatest simplicity -whereas we are far removed.