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Featured Question to christians and muslims

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, May 4, 2021.

  1. InvestigateTruth

    InvestigateTruth Well-Known Member

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    Not really, because, the word Islam means, "submission", so, this verse is saying the only true religion is submission to God. This means anytime God asks us to follow a new Law, we must submit.
     
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  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    I think Yahweh and Allah do not claim to love people. Love and care of Abrahamic Gods is conditional.
    The Jewish, Christian and Islamic law is for all times. It does not change.
     
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    I leave it to the different religions to teach the different teachings. But to me Allah and Muhammad is the right way, but if others believe different that is ok too
     
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    But wouldn't you argue about ' evidence ' for the bible, the resurrection, ect . Wouldn't you inquire at least for some validation , some evidence, some tangible claim , that you could investigate for your self. We at least have something on the table to deal with . We have a bible that claims its from God . We have followers of Christianity which points at least to a starting point in history ect . It seems like this philosophy/ idea has a lot less going for it . It seems like its based simply on ' intuition ' ? Isn't Christianity usually held to a high standard of " whats your evidence " ? Your philosophy seems to based on quite a low standard of criteria.
     
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    This is your simplistic black and white, all or nothing, approach again. Nothing in human affairs is like that - and all religions are the product of human beings, setting down what they think they understand.

    It is far more likely that both are partly right and partly wrong. In science, we never claim that a theory is The Truth. All theories in science are man-made models of reality. We try to improve them all the time but they remain only models - and often we find imperfections in them. That's normal and not a cause for concern. Why should what we tell ourselves about religious ideas be any different?
     
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  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    That is a very solid proof. ;)
    And why do religions need a starting point? What is wrong with religions which have no starting point?
     
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    The ONLY way.
     
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    What does that even mean..?
     
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    Estro Felino Believer in free will
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    So to be clear. As I do believe Allah is not real and Muhammed was a false prophet ( and that's because of the bible) will i go to heaven if I remain with these beliefs ?
     
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    All I know is that do believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to get to access to the Father. Now you may not believe me and that is okay.

    Ephesians 2:18 - Through Christ you have access to the Father and the Spirit.
    John 14:6 - Jesus in response to Thomas and his question.
    Matthew 6:5-15 - A lesson taught by Jesus about prayer

    Believe that learning about God and the Lord Jesus Christ is the best way to learn about God which can be done by using the bible. - That choice is left up to you brother/sister.

    ~ What you do with this information is up to you. ~
     
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    If you follow Jesus the way the bible describe for you, yes i would think you would.
     
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    And where in the bible does it say there are other ways to God today ,other than through Jesus ?
     
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    So I can reject Muhammed as a false prophet , deny that Allah is God ,believe in the trinity , That Jesus is the Son of God ,That Jesus died for the sins of the world , and rose again on the third day , believe that and still go to heaven ( paradise ) ?

    Because I can't say that the other way round.
     
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    I have no reason to judge other people from other religious beliefs just because they believe different than i do. If i am judging you or anyone else, i am doing a great sin, because the only one i can and should judge is my self.
     
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    While this is what most adherents of these religions believed, I believe the Holy Books does not say, that their Laws is for all the Time or God cannot change them.
     
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    Surely those who believe; and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and the Sabians, whoever of them believes in God and the Last Day and does good works; they will have their recompense with their Lord, and there is no fear upon them, nor will they grieve. – Quran 2:62
     
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    I was thinking of what my son's muslim friend has told him, which is that, according to the version of Islam he has been taught, non-muslims can still gain paradise by good works during their lives. So this must presumably be seen as a form of submission, even if it may not be recognised as such by the people involved. (They are talking a bit about Islam at the moment, because of Ramadan,)
     
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    My basic point is that Christians have no more "on the table" than followers of Islam or Judaism.

    All have ancient texts that teach them certain things. But there is no corroboration of the religious ideas set out in any of them. Sure, there is some history in the Old and New Testaments, but you'd expect that since they are largely written in the style of a historical narrative. The mention of some historical events is not evidence for the accuracy of the religious content.

    So there is no reason, on the face of it, to give the scriptures of Christianity more credence than those of Judaism or Islam. (Certainly not just because the bible says it is true, so it must be! If you buy that sort of logic, then I have a used car to sell you :D)

    The reason one may be inclined to accept one rather than another comes down to aesthetics and tradition, it seems to me. I was brought up a Christian, so I know fairly well all the wonderful stories about the life and teaching of Christ, and the imagery, the art and the music (especially the music) it has inspired in Christendom over 2000 years. These things help to guide and inspire me in life and are welcome constants amidst all the changes in my circumstances. But I am 100% sure that the same is true for Muslims and Jews, in the form indicated by their own religious traditions.
     
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    Both Islam and Judaism rejects Jesus as the Messiah , as the Son of God , as having died for their sins and rising again on the 3rd day ?
     
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