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Featured Question to christians and muslims

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Meandflower, May 4, 2021.

  1. Barry Johnson

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    The CLAIMS are different. At this point no evidence is needed . The CLAIMS are completely different with Islam and Christianity. A Muslim denies the very foundation of Christianity. Christians deny the very foundation of Islam .
     
  2. Barry Johnson

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    I know. Here we are a Christian and a Muslim agreeing that what we believe does not lead to the same God . And non Muslims and non Christians tell us ' all religions lead to God " and or " there are/ maybe many ways to God " .The irony
     
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    I believe my religion is one of many ways to God.:)
     
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  4. Barry Johnson

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    Ok, you assert then that there are many ways to God . which religion is this if I may ask ?
     
  5. Conscious thoughts

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    Sufism can lead toward Allah yes.
     
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  6. Barry Johnson

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    These are the questions.
    Do you believe your religion is the only way to God?
    ( I answered more specifically, Jesus is the only way, according to the Scriptures)
    Or

    Do you believe your religion is the best way to God? ( This begs the question that there are multiple ways).

    Or

    Do you believe your religion is one of many ways to God?
    Each question says RELIGION so the answer should be obvious. No all religions do not lead to God . Not even two .
     
  7. Barry Johnson

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    Can hinduism and Christianity, for example lead to God?
     
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    Ah, but if you’re both wrong though?
     
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    I dont see why not
     
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  10. Barry Johnson

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    That's the discussion . I agree . Its either one of us or none . Or its the one claim that ALL religions lead to God . But this last one is contradictory in the extreme . As is " There are many ways to God " .
     
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    Is that what your religion teaches ?
     
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    Okay. But I don’t deal in absolutes, many people don’t. Many spiritual people don’t.
    God, I believe, is within us; and all around us. You don’t, imo, need to be a Christian or a Buddhist or a Hindu to experience Union with God.

    Although clearly, there are some verses in Christian scripture that would appear to contradict this view, I don’t let that trouble me.
     
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    Sufism has Allah as God, but sufism teach us to respect every religion, so why would i reject their religious belief.
     
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    Jesus is the way to God.
    Any other path may lead you into a more righteous life style but only Jesus provides the forgiveness from God that we all need and eventually everyone will come before Jesus to be judged as to whether they get to the Father or not. With any other path we rely on our own righteousness and when we come before Jesus that will mean relying on God's mercy because we all have done wrong and need the forgiveness that comes through Jesus.
    That was a long couple of sentences, I hope it could be understood.
     
  15. Barry Johnson

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    I'm not talking about ' respect ' we should respect people and there views . So for example if I say that Jesus is the way and the only way ,you might respect me and my views ,but do you reject that truth claim ?
     
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    It refutes nothing. Who is Jesus? He is a figure from your chosen scripture.

    So you are trying to tell me that your scripture must be right because it says so, er, in your scripture. :confused:

    Can't you see why that can't work as a refutation?
     
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    Not at all. Allah is just the Arabic word for God. Moreover, it is obvious fact that Islam and Christianity and Judaism have common roots and share a number of ideas about God.

    So why can they not all be imperfect human attempts to capture some truths about the same God, influenced by different histories and cultural contexts?
     
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    Yes. Exactly so.

    And I am one of those, due to the time I have spent living in different parts of the world, during which I have observed a few things about the teaching and example of practitioners of different religions.

    As a scientist, I have been taught the habit of using observation to inform my theories about the world.;)
     
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    What does it mean to submit to Allah, practically? What do you exactly do, that you believe it is considered submission?
     
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    Some of the claims do, sure, but that does not refute the proposition in question, which is that there can be multiple ways to God.

    You seem rather focused on the things in Islam and Christianity that contradict one another, rather than what they have in common. The picture of Allah in Islam is not so very different from the Christian God, it seems to me. Both religions - and Judaism - stress a single, personal creator God, who loves and takes care of His creation and to whom we can speak through prayer and who speaks to Man through various prophets (largely the same prophets, in fact).
     
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