As if you'd know. All you know is a bunch of lies you've read on the internet, but you are evidently stupid enough and gullible enough to believe them.
[Qur'an 18:56] ...those who disbelieve, dispute with false argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery!
(1) Oliver Cowdery, (2) Martin Harris, (3) David Whitmer, (4) Christian Whitmer, (5) Jacob Whitmer, (6) Peter Whitmer, Jr., (7) John Whitmer, (8) Hyrum Page, (9) Joseph Smith, Sr., (10) Hyrum Smith, (11) Samuel H. Smith. As to their histories, I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you want to know more about these men, all of whom were respected members of their community and well-liked by their neighbors, you can read about them on
Mormon Wiki.
I'm not going to go deeper into this matter either.
[Qur'an 33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but
he is the Messenger of Allah and the last (end) of the Prophets. And Allah is Ever AllAware of everything.
They were returned to Moroni, who led Joseph Smith to them.
So, they are nowhere for us to study.
Nor will your insults impact mine. Personally, I would prefer civil conversations, and quite frankly, you are the only Muslim I've met in my 10 years one RF who has not been very respectful and courteous. Fortunately, I'm not going to judge the entire Muslim faith by your behavior.
What insult? I haven't insulted anyone at all, nor was I disrespectful. I merely addressed the comments, but if this is what you want to use for lack of actual argument, so be it.
If anyone is throwing insults around, it is you, in your comment here.
My behaviour? You are going off the deep end now.
Nonsense. There are over 40,000 different denominations within Christianity. Every one of them is a heretic to the others.
Yes. So, it is all nonsense...is this what you are saying?
Well, whoop-dee-doo! So the Book of Mormon is considered heresy by a Muslim. I would never have guessed. Besides, if you actually have read The Book of Mormon, you apparently weren't paying much attention to what it said. Otherwise, you'd have at least a vague knowledge of it and would know of the eleven other men who saw the golden plates, as their names and testimonies are listed in the front of the book. Oops!
Why do you express yourself like this?
11 other men...11. Ok. And you said that those golden plates were returned to Moroni...the son of Mormon...and these plates are nowhere to be found?
That's hilarious. They do have a beautiful temple in Manhattan, though. I've been to it on a couple of occasions.
The temple garment is worn as a reminder of the covenants we make with God in the temple. As such, it protects us against temptation and evil. That in no way makes it magical.
When you wear anything with the belief that it protects you in anyway, then this is believing in the likes of sorcery and magic, as it is from the same principle foundation.
Among the LDS Church’s fifteen highest ranking leaders (the “First Presidency” and the “Quorum of the Twelve Apostles") are eight men with doctorate degrees from Harvard, Yale, Purdue, and Duke. Three are lawyers, one of them a former Supreme Court Justice and law clerk to U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice, Earl Warren, several who were professors at Stanford, Texas Tech and the University of Chicago, one of them being a university president. One was the former senior vice president and chief pilot of Lufthansa Airlines. One was on the staff of Adm. Hyman Rickover, developing military and private nuclear power reactors. One was the CEO of a California health care system, another the associate general counsel of what is now Bank of America in Charlotte, N.C. Several fought in World War II. The current President of the Church was an internationally-acclaimed heart surgeon and the former president of the Society for Vascular Surgery and chairman of the Council on Cardiovascular Surgery for the American Heart Association. If you think for one minute that any of these individuals believe their underwear to be magical, you're even more delusional that I originally thought.
Looks like the list of CEO's of a major corporation...possibly masquerading as a religion...Allah knows best.
Anyway, we would have to ask them, and tell them to bring their proofs to counter the claim, since these high status individuals would know better than you.
Oh my gosh, that was absolutely hysterical. I've never read anything quite so imaginative! And you seriously believed that? Please tell me you're not quite that naive! Just for kicks, I've got to post the two funniest paragraphs, in case anybody wants a good laugh...
As a child, in Florida, she remembers being totally obedient to the teachings of her elders. 'Because of the patriarchal order in the Mormon church, the pronouncements of older men carry enormous weight. When, for example, my father said we should use reusable condoms, it did not occur to me to question his wisdom.
'After use we would lather our hands and scrub them inside out, leaving them on top of the toilet tank, shrouded in tissue. Whenever we needed one, we had the choice of several, all by then as unbendable as fire irons. My husband would throw one into a basin of water to soak and, when it was pliable, would check it for leaks. He rarely found any. I would recommend reusable condoms to anyone. The original package of 12 lasted us the entire year]'
So you are saying this woman who wrote this book is lying? Perhaps she is, the purpose of posting that link was simply to highlight that this is not the first time that the issue about "magical" underwear are used by Mormons.
I do not believe that they are "magical" but one thing is clear, they believe that a picec of clothing will protect one from evil and temptation, and putting faith in articles of clothing.
You certainly don't know anything about her if you had to look her up on Wiki. But then it doesn't really surprise me that you'd dismiss her so cavalierly. She doesn't need to "pose as an authority is Islam." She was raised a devout Muslim and had to flee her home to avoid an arranged marriage, among other things. You may not respect her in the slightest, but millions of people hold her in very high regard.
Yes, I already said this. I do not know here and briefly looked here up on Wiki. I do dismiss her because what I do know is she is not from the people of knowledge, she is disbelieving woman so there is no benefit in her obvious opposition. She won't teach me anything.
So you believe this woman, but the other ex-Mormon woman you laugh away as a ridiculous.
And then you think being raised by a "devout Muslim" actually means something. Devout to what sect? What was their creed? Are arranged arriages permissible in Islam? The blind are led by the blind, this woman would collapse under actual debate, which is why she only preaches to the ignorant with her poilitical agenda.
Now, would you like to call a truce or do you want to keep up this silly argument? Personally, I'd prefer not to get into it with you. I have far too much respect for the many Muslims I've known personally and for those I've met online to want to insult them by any comments I might be tempted to make to you. Maybe you don't care about people's feelings, but I do.
I wasn't arguing. I have nothing to argue. You are the one getting
aggressive in your responses. So if you want to make your truce, you are not being prevented.
If you do not want to get into it with me, you don't have to after this. That is your choice.
You make the statements you like, the forums are documented, so I am not worried about it. Feel free to insult as you like, as the scholars say:
The tongue is like a ladel and the heart like a pot. Whatever pours from the tongue, is only the contents of the heart.
In this case, the fingers.
Again, what exactly did I say of insult? If I actually made some insulting comments, please, repost them as I typed them.
